CieAura Scam

Yes, but not in the way you probably intend!  Your eloquent use of the "f" word speaks volumes about you.

"Identical".  Really?  How do you know it's identical?  What tests have you conducted to come to the conclsion it's identical?

 

I contacted the company two weeks ago via their chat and support form, asking for information on who to contact to do a live blind test, or to speak to someone in management by phone -

Still no response from CieAura. You would think that they a company being labeled as the CieAura Scam would be glad to back up their claims with a simple 5 minute test, or at least discuss it with someone.

I also asked if they could detect a used from a new holographic sticker.

Not a peep out of the company.

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I don't believe I have ever read a bio as vague as Rasner's.  Why doesn't he name the "major university" he taught at in So. California?  Probably because he never taught there. "One of Mr. Rasner's two master's degrees is in administration; the other is in music. He has served on the faculty at a major university in Southern California." 

Great points Watch Dog!

Have you had the joy yet of visiting his "harmonic fm" website?  Better yet is his his home site when you google "ken rasner"  I think it says some crap about how "GOD" comes first in his life, then sorta concludes with highlights on his book on " amassing extreme wealth"  didn't Jesus say you cannot slave for God and for riches?  Why do people buy into this stuff?

Ken Rasner, CieAUra and Warren Hanchey, 8ight were both part of the LifeWave management team.

They have both distanced themselves from LifeWave using various reasons for why they left the former SCAM.

The LifeWave patches did not use a holographic sticker but used two patches. One brown (glucose) and one white (glycerin) were said to contain magic nano antennas that "communicated" with your body cells.

As with CieAura and 8ight holographic stickers (just a few cents when purchased in bulk), LifeWave patches were cheap to produce. In the early days, Mrs. Schmidt reported David Schmidt mixed the ingredients for the patches on their kitchen table. Schmidt later went on to dump his wife, children and the family dog, and head off to his new lifestyle in LA.

Power Balance is also a holographic sticker SCAM endorsed by Shaquille O'Neal. Shaq is no stranger to SCAMS having been involved in previous SCAMS.

The old saying is as true today as ever.

There's a sucker born every minute!

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Has anyone taken into consideration what all matter is made up of?  Or, that everything we see, taste, feel, hear, and smell are frequencies?

 

“Same as with the EFX Scam, where they claim the hologram has a frequency - how does a hologram ( basically just an image embedded within a semi transparent medium ) have a "Program".  This is just total and complete bullshit foisted on an unsuspecting public. It's like saying the photo on your desk of your Mother has a 'frequency' or has been 'programmed'.”…

 

Without frequencies how is it that you are able to see the photo of your Mother, or a hologram? I am not of the sciences I am a layman, but I have a basic understanding that all matter as we know it is vibrational frequencies including our bodies. The easiest one we are able to relate to are radio frequencies, of course. I also barely remember learning light being made of frequencies.

 

There are plenty of references such as: http://www.answers.com/topic/frequency

 

If we understand that matter is made up of frequencies including our own, why is it difficult to understand holograms are also frequencies?

 

I have found just a little bit of research might help shed a whole lot of light on a subject that might seem false but actually has some truth, by offering how or why something may or may not work… like holograms.

 

The first hologram was made in 1947 by Dennis Gabor, a Hungarian-born scientist who was working at the Imperial College of London. Gabor made a transmission hologram by carefully filtering his light source, but the process did not become practical until technology provided a way to produce coherent light—light that consists of a single frequency and a single wavelength. Nearly a quarter century after he had made the first hologram, Gabor was awarded the Nobel Prize for Physics for this achievement in 1971. http://www.answers.com/topic/hologram

 

The mind itself operating in a holographic manner? Paul Pietsch (1981) simply could not believe Pribram's theory, and he set out to disprove the holographic theory of the brain… http://www.survey-software-solutions.com/walonick/reality.htm

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Are these things to consider that might help you before you come to a final conclusion? Won't you always wonder now? maybe not

You seem to be deliberately avoiding the question.

A hologram, just like a picture, does not have any inherent 'frequency'. Colors reflect light of a certain spectrum. Holograms display an image not through a 'frequency' but through an effect referred to as 3D photography. A hologram can not be 'programmed' with a frequency or a 'program'. No more than a photograph can be embedded with a program that somehow magically interacts with you when you look at it.

You may enjoy looking at it, but it doesn't interact with you via a program.

And you are using a quantum physics explanation of theory about the way the mind works ( Pribram's Theory ) and misapplying it to something that is merely a 3D hologram - not 'recognition holography'

CieAura was asked if they could demonstrate how a 'program' could be embedded in what is nothing more than the image you have on your credit card to prove it's authenticity - a CieAura hologram that supposedly 'depletes' when in contact with the human body, and if they could demonstrate the ability to tell a 'used' hologram from a 'new' hologram.

They didn't reply to any queries. Know why? It's all a big fat scam meant to lull people like yourself info a false sense of wonder and belief because of big words and hocus pocus to trick you into thinking it has some kind of effect other than your own mind playing tricks on you.

If the company could provide these simple proofs in a blind test - they would. Since they can't, they ignore them.

All the references in the world won't dismiss the fact that the validity of any of their claims can not be proven at all in any blind test.

The transparent hologram is the core of the CieAura scam. Plain and simple. If you have some proof to provide, I'll gladly retract all of my statement.

 

If I were deliberately avoiding the question why would I have posted a reply to begin with?

Your opinion is well taken... although I do not recall taking a position either way about the product.

I was merely suggesting to check-out some of the sciences they claim to have behind their product, which may help those who are concerned about it.

There are those who do believe in different sciences and alternatives that are not readily acceptable. Does it make those sciences or belief in them wrong if it works for the believer, even if others believe it is a mind trick? Isn't that really the same thing as a placebo?

If it is being said that it is subjective and positive results are achieved due to the power of suggestion as in a placebo effect, in the end isn't really the positive results (without negative side effects) the believer is after? If they are willing to pay for a product they believe in and they get the results they are after in the end isn't that what it is all about?

SheerEvolution:

If it is being said that it is subjective and positive results are achieved due to the power of suggestion as in a placebo effect, in the end isn't really the positive results (without negative side effects) the believer is after? If they are willing to pay for a product they believe in and they get the results they are after in the end isn't that what it is all about?

Very valid point. If the results are being received as the result of the placebo effect, then perhaps the user is getting a positive result and maybe for them the result is all that matters.   The issue that I have with the CieAura scam is that even with positive results, it doesn't change the underlying fact that somewhere up the CieAura chain of command, someone knows the product is all smoke and mirrors.

I would like to know how many people who were skeptical have tried the product and received no result - and if they were able to receive any CieAura refund for the CieAura hologram.

"I would like to know how many people who were skeptical have tried the product and received no result - and if they were able to receive any CieAura refund for the CieAura hologram."

This is a good point as well.

I appreciate and thank you for your input and perspective.

Create a Great Day

Our good buddy, the flat footed Ken Rasner, is currently busy at the Official Launch of CieAura at Hilton Americas, 1600 Lamar St, Houston, TX 77010 US

One can only imagine the amount of BS being liberally spread around the room today and until Sunday.

The faithful will be energized, but not for the reasons they think they are.

Just as with all the other SCAMS, LifeWave, 8ight, Power Balance, Mojo Future tech and a host of wannabes, this MLM is all about making money for those at the TOP of the PYRAMID.

It's interesting to note that these SCAMS have even hit the so called "respectable" online retailers.

Amazon is currently advertising Power Balance Bracelets and other similar products.

The Power Balance Company has been EXPOSED on Australian television.

So, what does that tell you about Amazon?

I doubt that I'll be spending my money there any more.