WalterL: But if I'm selling you something i know doesn't really work - hoping you have the placebo effect - does that make it the Power Balance Scam? Here's a link to the video where they completely debunk the holographic strength and balance test: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd0Gb9EgkHA
But if I'm selling you something i know doesn't really work - hoping you have the placebo effect - does that make it the Power Balance Scam?
Here's a link to the video where they completely debunk the holographic strength and balance test:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd0Gb9EgkHA
There is a company called CieAura that is also selling "transparent holographic chips" - but instead of having a 'frequency' like the EFX USA Power Balance bracelet, they are "computer programmed holograms". Same as with the EFX Scam, where they claim the hologram has a frequency - how does a hologram ( basically just an image embedded within a semi transparent medium ) have a "Program". This is just total and complete bullshit foisted on an unsuspecting public. It's like saying the photo on your desk of your Mother has a 'frequency' or has been 'programmed'.
The CieAura Scam also has a very similar management team to the Lifewave Scam.
This is the same hologram scam that was used by OceanCity Network ( Jim Fobair ) for the hologram "fuel discs" that were selling for 300.00 each. Now its holographic stickers embedded in wrist bands, or my personal favorite - on credit card size wallet cards that look exactly like the ones on your credit card. Maybe Visa and Mastercard should just start embedding them on your card when you renew, and instead of offering better interest rates, they can offer you the placebo effect for your health.
When you throw words like hologram and frequencies and programming and bio fields at Joe Average, you tap into their desire to believe in something. Even if it sounds totally absurd.
Add a few hokey strength tests ( that do nothing but test the gullibility of the person being tested ) and WALLAH! You've got the making of the next scam product.
Betting the Federal Trade Commission gets involved in CieAura and EFX and other "hologram" companies very very soon.
Lord this kind of stuff scares me...there are so many bright, well educated people out there falling for this stuff by the minute. I think of my Mom or Dad getting sucked into these marketing scams and I see red. It isn't enough to think "they are too smart' anymore...it can happen to anyone.
Thanks for the great posts...hope alot of people see them and pay attention!
I just did more rCieAura research. This CieAura scam seems to have some of the same executive that came from another hologram nano-technology [ fill in the silly-scientific sounding babble terms here ] that was marketing an "organically constructed nano-antennas for the passive frequency modulation of the human magnetic field. These organic antennas, when properly constructed, are capable of passively modulating the human magnetic field for the purpose of communicating information to the human body via resonant energy transfer."
Basically, the same little decal with the printed hologram was being sold by Ken Rasner as VP of LifeWave. Now the little hologram decal is instead somehow imgregnated with a vibratory sound resonance that makes everything in your body sing together in perfect harmony.
Might as well just tell people you are selling Magic Stickers for a few hundred dollars a pop.
Well, it's the Christmas season - so let me just say ...Ho Ho Ho HOKEY. CieAura. Blah. I'll give 50 bucks to any CieAura rep who can do those supposed strength tests with the CieAura hologram in a black bag, and five phony placebo products in five other bags, and tell which is which and get any kind of measurable response.
What a load of crap. People really believe you can embed a vibrancy or a frequency or whatever into a sticker? I emailed the company asked them for info on the product, and if there was any way to detect the embedded crap in the hologram decal via an external measuring device. No response.
That's because it may as well be a "My Name Is RETARD" sticker stuck on the front of your sweater instead of a 'hologram' in your pocket, or on your wrist, or whatever they are pitching.
The FTC just passed new rules on December 1, 2009 about health claims. Can't WAIT to see how long before the whack this CieAura Scam and the other Hologram Health Nonsense Products.
For some reason, this post lets me suggest an answer. My answer is: CieAura is a Scam.
JangoMan: There is a company called CieAura that is also selling "transparent holographic chips" - but instead of having a 'frequency' like the EFX USA Power Balance bracelet, they are "computer programmed holograms". Same as with the EFX Scam, where they claim the hologram has a frequency - how does a hologram ( basically just an image embedded within a semi transparent medium ) have a "Program". This is just total and complete bullshit foisted on an unsuspecting public. It's like saying the photo on your desk of your Mother has a 'frequency' or has been 'programmed'. The CieAura Scam also has a very similar management team to the Lifewave Scam.
What I would like to know is how the people promoting the CieAura scam or the Lifewave Scam or the EFX USA Scam or any of these companies promoting so called holographic or hologram health technology explain the 'embedding' of anything into a plastic sticker.
The fact is, the sticker is an inert and inanimate object. It contains an image, a 'hologram' only in the loosest sense of the word, just a prismatic effect and a trick of the light to give the illusion of depth.
But when claims are made the the CieAura holograms are 'programmed' or that a company's hologram 'vibrates' or 'resonates' or someone interacts with the body's bioelectric field at a certain frequency - it's all total bullshit. I've emailed three different companies asking if they can tell me exactly how to detect any change in the decals when in contact with the body or the body's electrical field - not surprisingly, no response.
One of the companies claims to use patent-pending technology to embed whatever their specific brand of hocus pocus is into the holograms. Common sense would dictate that if there is a machine embedding something, you would have a way to detect and test it to be sure whatever it is you claim you are doing is actually taking hold in hte medium. If something is vibrating or running a program or whatever, there would be some detectable change that should be observable with some measuring instrument. Otherwise, it's just 'magic'.
I would love to have someone from the CieAura scam or the EFX scam explain, in clear and simple terms, how the processes involved can be detected other than the 'you should just try the bracelet and find out for yourself' argument. CieAura's specific claim is that depending on the 'programming' of the hologram, there are specific results such as an increase in energy, increase in stamina, deeper more restful sleep, and other 'assorted reactions'.
My guess the only real measurable reaction is the lightening of your wallet.
With the new FTC regulations regarding health claims, I wonder how long before they step in and investigate this company. Should they come back and determine there is actually some magical benefit from the CieAura Holographic Chips, I'll be the first person to post a full retraction and a thousand words about the positive benefits they find.
couldn't agree with you more.. I became a rep. and thought it really had some value until I tried it.. Nothing gave em out like Lays potato chips.. Nothing! Even tried holistic professionals that had interest enough to contact me < yes puddy in the hands right -- NOPE!!! They felt nothing either.. waste of time!!!
my mom is making me and my younger brother go to a demonstration for this company Cieaura, it seems you know a bit about why they are full of ***, i cant find much helpful info that i can bring as facts to ask the reps there so i might be able to talk my mom out of getting into this whack business. any helpful info you can give me would help a bunch.
You might want to have her watch this video:
Someone posted it above. It's essentially the same embedded hologram scheme.
But if someone really wants to believe in CieAura or EFX or Lifewave or other companies and their bizarre health claims, it's almost impossible to convince them otherwise. The placebo effect is very powerful.
Tarob:my mom is making me and my younger brother go to a demonstration for this company Cieaura, it seems you know a bit about why they are full of ***, i cant find much helpful info that i can bring as facts to ask the reps there so i might be able to talk my mom out of getting into this whack business. any helpful info you can give me would help a bunch.
Sorry kid, that sounds brutal.
One of the first things I notice is that it seems to be impossible to contact the company through their website. No phone number listed, no contact emails and even the executive bio is very vague. Ken Rasner's bio says:
Founder and CEO of CieAura, LLC and co-owner/President of Harmonic FM, LLC; the company that manufactures CieAura transparent holographic chips.• Served as Senior VP for a $50 million direct sales company and as Executive Vice President helped a start-up network marketing company grow from under $650,000 a month to over $24 million of annualized sales in five months.• Nearly three years lived in Asia and served as president for a $240 million international network marketing company.
Why doesn't Ken Rasner name the company he served with as an executive VP?
Maybe because that company was Lifewave, a company ripped to shreds by WorldWideScam and selling a "patch"
LifeWave patches communicate with the body through the human magnetic field. This is known as resonant energy transfer. It sends the message, “transport fat to the mitochondria and make ATP” to the cells. This produces increased energy.
Here is his bio from Lifewave. Why would he NOT name the company in his current bio?
Ken Rasner
Ken heads up the network marketing arm and provides LifeWave with the sales strategies and infrastructure necessary to increase the success of each of our distributors.Some of these strategies include our 10 step action plan, our formal presentation, our pocket presentation, our 3 minute message, our communication systems, our recognition program, our 2-a-day CDs, and many other systems and tools that can be easily be duplicated.Additionally he assists in the development of our company promotions and coordinates our Advanced Training Workshops, Regional Conferences, and Super Saturdays.Ken has written, published and sold books and training CDs world wide on Network Marketing and brings over 30 years of teaching and training experience to LifeWave.A unique combination of extremely successful ,in the field, experience together with exceptionally successful corporate experience allows Ken to contribute a wealth of talent and knowledge to help our distributors.Because of Ken,s extensive international experience, his expertise is a major asset as we expand globally.
Read this too for other red flags on this business:
http://www.npros.com/articles/redflags.asp
So just how many companies publish the e-mail address of their management on their websites?
Have you tried the products? If you don't have any firsthand knowledge of the products, your claims of this being a "scam" are as difficult to swallow as it is for you to accept the possibility that the CieAura product might actually benefit people.
Full disclosure: I am a user of the CieAura product, and have found the pain relief to work for me. I was referred by somebody for whom the pain relief offered changed his life profoundly.
I certainly don't claim that CieAura will work for everybody. I would also say that anybody who isn't experiencing results should not buy this or any other product that doesn't work for them!! I was skeptical at first, but was given 2 opportunities to try free samples of the product before deciding to buy any.
How about full disclosure for the others who are posting here? What are your respective agendas?
I don't think anyone mentions an email for the company management.
A phone number and a valid physical address? Thats a different story. And all legit companies selling a product provide both.
If you call the number they provide for credit card and payment issues, it goes to a voicemail 24/7 ( Red Flag ) and they promise to call back.
My personal agenda is that even with the placebo effect, this product is a carnival trick at best. Snake oil at worst. If the belief in 'magic rocks' helped someone's chronic pain, I'd be all for them putting magic rocks in their pocket. If somone was charging them money for the magic rocks - I'd point out it was a scam.
Say what you will GECNA, but there is no verifiable proof this is anything but a 5 cent decal. No blind test between this product or a Pokemon sticker will ever produce any result besides the placebo effect.
Eventually the FTC will step in. Hopefully the people who believe in it and are experiencing placebo relief will continue to do so.
GECNA: How about full disclosure for the others who are posting here? What are your respective agendas?
WatchDog:No blind test between this product or a Pokemon sticker will ever produce any result besides the placebo effect.
LMFAO!
None of these products can produce any measurable results other than the placebo result.
Cieaura Scam = Pokemon Stickers. Perfect.