I don't think Orovo is still an MLM.
April 12, 2013 6:20 AM PDT
I don't think Orovo is still an MLM.
July 19, 2008 2:57 AM PDT
Forget everything you think you know about home based businesses. OROVO has exploded the possibilities of what a home based business can be. Not only are we revolutionizing the health industry, but we are completely revamping the very model of what a home-based entrepreneur can accomplish.
Your monthly OROVO compensation is calculated according to the 6x6 matrix. Each of our products is assigned product volume (PV). 1 PV = 1 commissionable dollar. The total product volume of your downline determines how much money you make each month.
| Payout | Line 1: 50% of Product Volume |
Line 2: 35% of Product Volume |
Line 3-6: 3.75% of Product Volume |
|---|
For each active associate on your first level, you receive 50% of their total PVs. Then, from your second level you receive 35% of the PVs. Finally, from levels 3-6 you receive 3.75% of the PVs. Your potential earnings, based on minimum purchased points per associate, are shown in table below.
You must purchase at least 20 PVs per month in order to maintain your active associate status and participate in the income opportunity.
| Level | Associates Per Level | Number of Associates | Payout Per Level | Total Payout Per Level | Total Payout |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| This represents compensation for the Minimum amount of points purchased by associates in your matrix. (20 points or one bottle of Orovo per month). If associates in your matrix purchase more, your results could be significantly better. Each Associate's payout will get varying results according to different circumstances |
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| 1 | 6 | 6 | $10.00 | $60.00 | $60.00 |
| 2 | 36 | 42 | $7.00 | $252.00 | $312.00 |
| 3 | 216 | 258 | $0.75 | $162.00 | $474.00 |
| 4 | 1296 | 1554 | $0.75 | $972.00 | $1446.00 |
| 5 | 7776 | 9330 | $0.75 | $5,832.00 | $7,278.00 |
| 6 | 46656 | 55986 | $0.75 | $34,992.00 | $42,270.00 |
You can jump start your homebusiness by taking advantage of our Business Building Package. In the Business Building Package, you establish your headquarter account and sign up 6 more times underneath, referring yourself each time. This package allows you to take advantage of Orovo’s innovative 6x6 “top heavy” matrix. By implementing the Business Building Package, you multiply your earning potential by 7 times!!!
When you share the OROVO opportunity with your friends and family, you become a partner in our mission to serve both customers and associates. OROVO maintains a vested interest in the health and longevity of our associates, and for that reason we offer our Leadership Bonus Program. When you take advantage of this Bonus Program you qualify for up to 40% of your personally referred associates’ product volume.
| Associate | Director | Senior Director | Executive Director | Corporate Partner | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| # of Active Personal Referals | 0 | 25 | 50 | 100 | 250 |
| % of Personal Referrals' PV | 0% | 10% | 20% | 30% | 40% |
| Minimum Potential Bonus $ | $0 | $50 | $200 | $600 | $2000 |
As you can see OROVO is a company that believes in rewarding hard work. If you would like more information e-mail me at harold_gardner2272@yahoo.com or visit www.orovoliverich.com.
November 7, 2009 6:08 AM PST
Doc:
How big was your group in OROVO?
Get in touch with me! I have a unique situation and offer you may not be able to refuse!
That goes for any other OROVO leader you might read this message...
You can email me at: kenstewartcalling@hotmail.com
Thanks!
February 8, 2009 9:29 AM PST
I too am an OROVO distributor since Summer 2008. I have found this company to be ethical, and products very reasonably priced for the quality they provide.
I am sorry you happened to order thru someone who 'fell down' on the job of representing OROVO in an appropriate manner. Perhaps you could try the Orovo products thru someone else, or at the company's direct online site.
Thank you for your input and concerns!
October 1, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
JT,
I had to blush at your posting. I get very passionate about truth, but always want to present it in a professional manor. I'm glad it came across as such.
It would be nice having a paid position as the PR :) but I have a feeling they may want me on the front lines sharing the product and getting the word out, which I more than happy to do.
As for posting how we are doing with the business, I definitely will. It's my passion to help and serve others in any way possible, and if I can help people out of financial debt while turning their health around, I will share it.
Cleaning the Proverbial Wall, (grin)
Angela
http://www.orovo.com/livingrichly
http://www.liverichopportunity.com
September 23, 2008 8:43 AM PDT
Angela,
Thanks for your response.
That has to be the most reasonable and intelligently worded response to any post questioning a company's info that I have ever seen on any message board.
I was waiting to get flamed over the info I found and reposted, so kudos for responding so professionally.
Although I may not agree 100% about Garrett DeVore and his past history as found on the Internet, I do definitely agree not everything found on the internet is necessarily credible. I'm glad you responded to each element. It makes a huge difference and hopefully helps sort out the 'crap' that gets thrown at the proverbial wall.
Orovo an Min Kim should hire you as PR Director.
I hope you have exellent luck with the business, and post about your success as a distributor.
Cheers
JT
September 22, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
Doc & Mr. Heron,
I had the pleasure of meeting with the Vice President and Marketing of Sales for Orovo this weekend, and shared your postings. I do apologize getting this information to you a day later than promised, but it looks like most of you two’s questions have been answered already. But to affirm what was asked... Yes, Garrett Devore is a partner with Min Kim in Orovo, but Min handles the running of Orovo on a daily basis. As to any dealing Garrett has had with other companies in the past, Min is not associated with them, and again is the go to person for Orovo.
In regards to what you both have posted: To you saying that...
The response is ludicrous. It blames those BBB complaints and the comments on RipOffReport on "Garrett's competitors" and says they are 'lies'.
I humbly say that it does not defy logic. It happens every day, and usually by one specific person or entity. Our personal Accountant has gone through such an experience as this, and to him it is not absurd or lame, but reality.
As to the "Yahoo Answers" and identical stories, I have yet to read such a story on the Orovo site. From where did these people get their information, for no such thing is posted on the official Orovo website. Also, when did "how the product came about, or who formulated it" determine the effectiveness of it? As if that answer could negate the fact that many people, even those I know personally, have seen an improvement in their health, along with other things.
In regards to the posting…
"She admits that Garrett DeVore used to be CEO, that he's a 50% partner, but knows nothing about lipovox, etc. What kind of business partner doesn't know about your partner's prior history."
Mr. Kim never suggested he didn't know anything about Lipovox, he specifically said that
"I have nothing to do with lipovox, etc. I stand for Orovo and only for orovo. Orovo has NOTHING to do with those companies."
And to what pattern of negative business practices do you refer to? Assuming you've not done business with him personally, I would presume it was when you called the Support Staff and asked about corporate information. I wouldn't call this a pattern of negative business practices, but one with a new and growing staff. Min, with Orovo, has outstanding business practices, and may I say personally from having worked with him and his team, a very strong moral code with excellent integrity.
Also, it was stated in a post…
You mentioned that your attorney is trying to change the BBB information – what exactly is incorrect?
It seems that BBB had Orovo mixed in with other companies and cataloged complaints. Having reviewed further, it seems that what Mr. Kim wrote earlier,
“I know what BBB has on their file and my attorney is trying to change all that currently. It is not correct information.”
is indeed true. If you compare the posting on 09-05-2008 you will see that there is a great deal of information that has been updated. I can attest to the fact that no structural or corporate change has taken place in Orovo, which brings us to the conclusion that the information given on BBB was wrong. http://utah.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=139&bbb=1166&firm=22222832
And last but not least, and I say this is the meekest of ways, please, I beg you to do your research before bringing up complaints about a company that another person has posted. I would understand if you had posted a personal complaint, but to quote someone else without researching it thoroughly is unjust on many levels, not only to Orovo & Min, but to the readers. In regards to the ripoff report that was mentioned…
Hey Min -- there's already a fresh new complaint on RipOffReport from August 21st, 2008 about OROVO -- and it definitely doesn't read like a competitor "telling lies" about your company: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/365/RipOff0365563.htm
... it is referring to www.orovostore.com, which is an online distributor located in CA not associated with the corporate division of the official Orovo, Orovo LLC. Yes, the complaint is real, as some are, but it is not in any way directed towards Min and his company, but to the distributor itself. The distributor even has posted this on his site “All of the views, statements, opinions and claims made by this website represent the sole opinion of The Orovo Store. Orovo LLC is not liable for any of the products sold on this website. The Orovo Store is a reseller of Orovo products and not the manufacturer. All claims made by this website do not in any way represent Orovo LLC. The Orovo Store, its customers, and potential customers waive rights to hold Orovo LLC liable for any issues arising from this website and sale of products. All complaints, returns, and customer support related issues must be made to The Orovo Store *(info@orovostore.com).” *Email address added from the orovostore.com site.
It was an honest mistake, but you can see for yourselves how easy it is to misinterpret and spread misleading information. How quickly 'bad news' duplicates on the internet is truly amazing, but even worse is when the general public begins reading the same thing (whether it's true, or misleading in this case) and they, with all certainty, assume it is factual. Excuse my language, but there's a saying in our house "If you throw enough crap on the wall, some of it is bound to stick." Let's stop throwing, I'll say... 'crap' and get to the true reliable information. I'd like to see if there is anyone out there who has ordered a product, or taken part in the business opportunity with Orovo as I have and see what they have to say about it (instead of writing hearsay).
Now, gentlemen, you may decide to never join Orovo (and that's ok), or may have been taken aback by information found in diligent research, but please lay aside any indifferences and weigh the facts accurately. There is nothing you’ve asked about previously that was not answered in all truthfulness and in the utmost respect.
I say this again, and with a greater affirmation than before, that I am so glad to be a part of this company, Orovo LLC (for clarification), and our family knows with out a shadow of doubt that we have the greatest privilege to be working with such a Wonderful company and with such an Excellent team.
With the Greatest Respect,
Angela
http://www.liverichopportunity.com
http://www.orovo.com/livingrichly
September 7, 2008 4:30 AM PDT
[quote user="Doc"]Ripoff reports and other complains, most of them are lies. They are just lies from Garrett's competitors. I have nothing to do with lipovox, etc.[/quote]
I guess that answers ALL my prior questions. What a lame quote. She admits that Garrett DeVore used to be CEO, that he's a 50% partner, but knows nothing about lipovox, etc. What kind of business partner doesn't know about your partner's prior history. Who believes that consumer complaints are just lies created by your obscure and unknown partners competitors? This is going to be interesting. Wondering how long before someone like the FDA steps in to take a closer look at OROVO and Garrett DeVore labs and the mysterious Y Min Kim?
Any takers on how long before the OROVO brand ends up in the trash can along with Lipovox, Lipotricks, liposcam, or whatever other prior names Garrett DeVore labs used then discarded before partnering up with Min Kim?
Hey Min -- there's already a fresh new complaint on RipOffReport from August 21st, 2008 about OROVO -- and it definitely doesn't read like a competitor "telling lies" about your company:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/365/RipOff0365563.htm
"I ordered 5 bottles of Orovo Detox for $200+. I had ordered this product previously and it was delivered promptly.
This time? I have been waiting three months and still no product. They hide behind an email address. They have come up with every imaginable excuse. They have acknowledged that they have been paid, and have repeatedly said they would ship but they have not. Their last excuse? They are out of stock.
"
September 7, 2008 4:05 AM PDT
I received a 2nd response from Min Kim of OROVO on the numerous complaints on RipOffReport and the BBB on her 50% partner and 'former CEO' Garrett DeVore.
The response is ludicrous. It blames those BBB complaints and the comments on RipOffReport on "Garrett's competitors" and says they are 'lies'.
This simply defies logic. My other questions were not answered.
From: Doc
Subject: RE: orovo
To: Min Kim
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 7:04 PM
Hi,
Thanks for the prompt responses.
The BBB report indicates that Orovo and several other company names are all part of the same general umbrella of companies:
|
Orovo, LLC |
|
Leptovox Co. |
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Blackstone Nutrition |
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Liposeduction |
|
Noxycut |
with products produced by Garrett Devore labs.
A lengthy post on the “Yahoo Answers” site points out that Lipovix and Leptovox are nearly identical compilations, with almost the identical ‘story’ about the inventor who saw the Oprah show and came up with the formulation.
Most of the complaints on the BBB are related to these prior entities.
Other than the packaging, wouldn’t it be accurate to say that Orovo is marketing the same products produced by Garrett DeVore labs, that he is a 50% and/or controlling partner, and this is just the same business under a new company name and a new label?
You mentioned that your attorney is trying to change the BBB information – what exactly is incorrect?
The prior complaints all appear to be valid consumer complaints about the prior Garrett DeVore businesses, with a significant history of non-response to those complaints. Also, there’s a significant number of recent complaints about Garrett Devore and Garrett Devore Labs on “ripoffreport.com” that point to failure to honor the money back guarantee, etc.
What guarantee do consumers and potential distributors have that the same won’t happen again, when it appears that this is exactly how Garrett Devore ran those previous companies?
You also asked where I found your email – while I was researching, I found it on a page on an Orovo review page ( not the ones by Stephen Devore) that apparently prompted some nasty responses from someone claiming to be CEO of the company.
MIN KIM's RESPONSE:
From: Min Kim
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:45 PM
To: Doc
Subject: RE: orovo
Thanks for the email. Ripoff reports and other complains, most of them are lies. They are just lies from Garrett's competitors. I have nothing to do with lipovox, etc. I stand for Orovo and only for orovo. Orovo has NOTHING to do with those companies.
If you want to belive me in that OROVO has best products, prices and customer support, or not, it is upto you. I can tell you that a lot of things on internet is untrue. But if you want to believe me when i say that, it is upto you as well.
Try us if you want, and you can find out whether we are a quality company or not. You don't have to.
Good luck!!!
Thanks for your email.
Min
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Hi Min,
That’s rather absurd – to say those comments are ‘lies from competitors’.
What competitors would go to the trouble of disparaging Garrett Devore and his products? There are hundreds of other companies selling similar products who have not racked up the kind of BBB and Ripoffreport.com history that Garrett Devore has.
But it also explains why you do not tout him as CEO and why the company does not reveal that info when requested in the past.
Seriously, that has to be the lamest excuse I’ve ever encountered for a pattern of negative business practices in all the time I’ve ever reviewed businesses and business opportunities.
Thanks for your time in responding, but you should come up with a better response than “Those are lies from competitors”.
Regards.
February 8, 2009 9:17 AM PST
Orovo’s dedication to product development begins by selecting only the most superior and safe ingredients Mother Nature has to offer.
Orovo R&D Team takes those 'Mother Nature' ingredients to their lab, to create safe and potent formulas that would cost a fortune anywhere else. They are constantly on the look out for revolutionary new technologies and techniques, employing only the best science in making our all-natural product lines.
Just take a 'peek' at Orovo's Ingredient List.
February 8, 2009 8:58 AM PST
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December 22, 2008 1:22 AM PST
View ALL 6 of the New Arrivals in OROVO's Epuri 'EveryDay' skin care line:
http://orovo.com/42893/products-epuri-everyday.php
ENRICHED~ENLIGHTENED~EMPOWERED
December 20, 2008 2:53 PM PST
whoops!
here is correct press release: http://www.prlog.org/10156067-who-knew-orovo-now-includes-skin-care-with-health.html
December 20, 2008 2:43 PM PST
Orovo has recently completed their Epuri 'EveryDay' skin care line.
Press Release: http://www.prlog.org/10156067-who-knew-orovo-now-includes-skin-care-with-health.html
December 20, 2008 1:54 PM PST
On my way to this form this evening............... I did not know I was coming here. But, here I am and looking forward to relating with you here!
Happy Holidays to ALL!
September 22, 2008 3:37 PM PDT
Doc & Mr. Heron,
I had the pleasure of meeting with the Vice President and Marketing of Sales for Orovo this weekend, and shared your postings. I do apologize getting this information to you a day later than promised, but it looks like most of you two’s questions have been answered already. But to affirm what was asked... Yes, Garrett Devore is a partner with Min Kim in Orovo, but Min handles the running of Orovo on a daily basis. As to any dealing Garrett has had with other companies in the past, Min is not associated with them, and again is the go to person for Orovo.
In regards to what you both have posted: To say that...
The response is ludicrous. It blames those BBB complaints and the comments on RipOffReport on "Garrett's competitors" and says they are 'lies'.
I humbly say that it does not defy logic. It happens every day, and usually by one specific person or entity. Our personal Accountant has gone through such an experience as this, and to him it is not absurd or lame, but reality.
As to the "Yahoo Answers" and identical stories, I have yet to read such a story on the Orovo site. From where did these people get their information, for no such thing is posted on the official Orovo website. Also, when did "how the product came about, or who formulated it" determine the effectiveness of it? As if that answer could negate the fact that many people, even those I know personally, have seen an improvement in their health, along with other things.
In regards to the posting…
"She admits that Garrett DeVore used to be CEO, that he's a 50% partner, but knows nothing about lipovox, etc. What kind of business partner doesn't know about your partner's prior history."
Mr. Kim never suggested he didn't know anything about Lipovox, he specifically said that
"I have nothing to do with lipovox, etc. I stand for Orovo and only for orovo. Orovo has NOTHING to do with those companies."
And to what pattern of negative business practices do you refer to? Assuming you've not done business with him personally, I would presume it was when you called the Support Staff and asked about corporate information. I wouldn't call this a pattern of negative business practices, but one with a new and growing staff. Min, with Orovo, has outstanding business practices, and may I say personally from having worked with him and his team, a very strong moral code with excellent integrity.
Also, it was stated in a post…
You mentioned that your attorney is trying to change the BBB information – what exactly is incorrect?
It seems that BBB had Orovo mixed in with other companies and cataloged complaints. Having reviewed further, it seems that what Mr. Kim wrote earlier,
“I know what BBB has on their file and my attorney is trying to change all that currently. It is not correct information.”
is indeed true. If you compare the posting on 09-05-2008 you will see that there is a great deal of information that has been updated. I can attest to the fact that no structural or corporate change has taken place in Orovo, which brings us to the conclusion that the information given on BBB was wrong. http://utah.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=139&bbb=1166&firm=22222832
And last but not least, and I say this is the meekest of ways, please, I beg you to do your research before bringing up complaints about a company that another person has posted. I would understand if you had posted a personal complaint, but to quote someone else without researching it thoroughly is unjust on many levels, not only to Orovo & Min, but to the readers. In regards to the ripoff report that was mentioned…
Hey Min -- there's already a fresh new complaint on RipOffReport from August 21st, 2008 about OROVO -- and it definitely doesn't read like a competitor "telling lies" about your company: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/365/RipOff0365563.htm
... it is referring to www.orovostore.com, which is an online distributor located in CA, and not associated with the corporate division of the official Orovo, Orovo LLC. Yes, the complaint is real, as some are, but it is not in any way directed towards Min and his company, but to the distributor itself. The distributor even has posted this on his site “All of the views, statements, opinions and claims made by this website represent the sole opinion of The Orovo Store. Orovo LLC is not liable for any of the products sold on this website. The Orovo Store is a reseller of Orovo products and not the manufacturer. All claims made by this website do not in any way represent Orovo LLC. The Orovo Store, its customers, and potential customers waive rights to hold Orovo LLC liable for any issues arising from this website and sale of products. All complaints, returns, and customer support related issues must be made to The Orovo Store *(info@orovostore.com).” *Email address added from the orovostore.com site.
It was an honest mistake, but you can see for yourselves how easy it is to misinterpret and spread misleading information. How quickly 'bad news' duplicates on the internet is truly amazing, but even worse is when the general public begins reading the same thing (whether it's true, or misleading in this case) and they, with all certainty, assume it is factual. Excuse my language, but there's a saying in our house "If you throw enough crap on the wall, some of it is bound to stick." Let's stop throwing, I'll say... 'crap' and get to the true reliable information. I'd like to see if there is anyone out there who has ordered a product, or taken part in the business opportunity with Orovo as I have and see what they have to say about it (instead of writing hearsay).
Now, gentlemen, you may decide to never join Orovo (and that's ok), or may have been taken aback by information found in diligent research, but please lay aside any indifferences and weigh the facts accurately. There is nothing you’ve asked about previously that was not answered in all truthfulness and in the utmost respect.
I say this again, and with a greater affirmation than before, that I am so glad to be a part of this company, Orovo LLC (for clarification), and our family knows with out a shadow of doubt that we have the greatest privilege to be working with such a Wonderful company and with such an Excellent team.
With the Greatest Respect,
Angela
http://www.liverichopportunity.com
http://www.orovo.com/livingrichly
September 5, 2008 1:50 PM PDT
JT,
Ok, I checked out all the sites, but I'm probably not the most savvy business person around. Actually, most of my family and friends will attest to that, but I will ask a few questions and get back to you. I'm meeting with their Marketing Manager in Oklahoma City this coming week and will present your questions and get back with you on the information I receive.
I have questions on the www.findownersearch.com such as: what is the difference between a "brand name owner" and a "company owner". I know Min mentioned other associates and businesses he worked with to formulate and package the products. The company is newer and still in a growing phase so the BBB site rating doesn't shock me. Billing, Delivery, Refund, or Advertising issues are wrinkles every company goes through in their start up phase. As for the Advertising/Warranty issues I've found that most people don't do enough research on a product before consuming it. So people with sensitivity to caffeine should be taking the caffeine free supplement, but consumers don't research the ingredients and therefore have adverse side effects. On the same side of it, I have a family member that thought because there was 120 pills in the product she bought, that she could stretch one bottle out over 4 months. Again, she wasn't taking the recommended dosage and in return didn't see the results she was looking for.
The products themselves, I love. Most of my family and friends have tried them and are continuing to purchase them. The wisdom that Min shared with us over dinner will always stay with me, and is a foundation when sharing the Orovo products. He said that everyone that takes Orovo isn't going to process is in the same manner, and therefore will have different results. My body will metabolize it one way, and my husbands another, but both of us have seen changes. My husband in weight and myself in sustained energy levels. That's besides the point...
The Orovo team I've worked with, and have had numerous conversations with, has been wonderful and extremely helpful. I'm sorry that you've had such a hard time getting a direct answer to your questions. Again, I'm meeting with a representative in Oklahoma this coming weekend and will have an opportunity to put your questions in front of him. As soon as I have an answer I will get back with you. I commend you for doing your research before jumping into a company. I leapt without looking (sheepish grin), but really have had a wonderful experience. In the mean time the products are great (if taken as recommended- grin), and the Profit Sharing Program is unlike any other. Aside from 'who Garrett Devore is and his role or involvement in Orovo' I would definitely in good conscience recommend this company and it's products. After meeting Mr. Kim and his associates I know that our family made the right decision in starting a business in Orovo.
If I find anything out sooner I will definitely get back to you, but otherwise I should be able to post something no later than the 22nd of September.
September 5, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
[quote user="Authentically Angela"] I have not heard of Garrett Devore, except for where the Lab is located in Utah, and that information ony came through the Better Business Bureau. [/quote]
I hadn't actually pulled up the BBB report, but I found it here:
http://utah.bbb.org/WWWRoot/Report.aspx?site=139&bbb=1166&firm=22213772
( you can also go here and search for the term orovo : http://us.bbb.org/WWWRoot/SitePage.aspx?site=113&id=46a6a9cd-5402-454e-9476-e4df22e6f371 )
| Website: | www.leptovox.com |
| www.orovo.com | |
| www.blackstonenutrition.com | |
| Original Business Start Date: | January 2002 |
| New Owner Date: | January 2002 |
| Principal: | Mr Garrett Devore, Registered Agent |
| Customer Contact: | Mr Garrett Devore, Registered Agent - |
Based on the information from the BBB and other websites, it seems like the company has a pretty obvious reason for keeping Garrett Devore's relationship from the distributors and the public. I've seen enough companies go through a name change to dodge complaints and upset distributors to make me very wary about this company. No one yet has been able to provide a simple straight answer to that question.
When a company won't originally reveal their executive team and or owners, that's a major red flag. Garrett's brother ( ? ) Stephen Devore also seems to have published reviews on his Sybervision site.
The power of the Internet when doing due diligence on a company is the ability to 'connnect the dots' so to speak.
When someone can explain exactly why there has been so little transparency in the past and the relationships between all involved, and why there is so much negative press associated with this company and its founders, I can take it a little more seriously.
September 5, 2008 9:36 AM PDT
This is the part that I find troubling - the way Garrett Devore's involvement is hidden. Originally, when I contacted Orovo via their "chat support", they were not allowed to mention the names of the executive team. That's extremely unusual. It was only when I researched the company that I found the names of Garrett Devore and Min Kim.
Why is Garrett Devore's association with the company being concealed? Is it because of all the baggage with the BBB and numerous sites?
From http://www.findownersearch.com/owner/2714316/
| Brand Name Owner: | OROVO, LLC GARRETT DEVORE, CITIZENSHIP - UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Y. MIN KIM, CITIZENSHIP - REPUBLIC OF KOREA |
|---|---|
| Brand Name Owner Address: | 1520 North 135 East Orem UTAH 84057 |
From Google Search for terms: garrett devore orovo
( Just tons of references to Garrett DeVore and Orovo )
September 5, 2008 9:14 AM PDT
JT,
I myself joined Orovo this May, along with my husband, in a business builder team. Through a group effort, family/friends, and leveraging the match incentives Orovo provides I was able to put almost 300 people in my mother-in-laws down line. That one effort opened the door for us to sit down and have dinner with the CEO and COO of Orovo here in Northern Virginia. The CEOs name is Min Kim. Both are Korean, but pretty much Americanized. Min did say that they use American names for simplicity sake, which is very common. I have not heard of Garrett Devore, except for where the Lab is located in Utah, and that information ony came through the Better Business Bureau. I do know that they work with a research team and facilities they package their products at are also in Utah, but of the names of those companies and whether or not they are in good standing business wise, I do not know.
I have talked with their Marketing Supervisor as well as their Customer Representative and all are extremely helpful and enthusiastic about helping get the word out about Orovo. We've even been on a couple Leadership calls with them. They are fairly new, and their Customer Representative Line (1-877-466-7686) is in the process of growing. So if you can bare with the growing pains of a new up and coming company I'm sure that any question you have they'd be able to answer.
I honestly, wasn't as diligent as you were in researching, but my experience with them has been nothing but wonderful. Having sat down with Min and hearing his visions, why Orovo was started, and who he is personally gave me more confidence than any web site could have provided. And while I know Mr. Kim isn't able to meet with everyone interested in their company I know he's passionate about providing the best product at the absolute lowest price.
If there are any questions that I can answer, that Mr. Gardner hasn't already answered, please feel free to contact me. I'm not "in" the corporation. I too am only an associate, but have talked with three of the key leaders in Orovo and know that they'd be willing to answer any questions you have about Orovo and the founding of it. I hope this helps on some level. My email address is angela@liverichopportunity.com.
Best of Wishes on Every Business Venture,
Angela
July 19, 2008 6:29 AM PDT
JT,
I am only an independent associate of Orovo, I am not employed by them. My contact with the company is limited to e-mail and the chat feature. Sorry, I do not have the information you are looking for. I can tell you that I have been an associate for eight months now, and I have no regrets. I am currently selling Orovo products on three websites and have a downline. I was very skeptical when I first researched the company. I wasn't able to get any contact information and could only e-mail them questions (responses took up to 3 days). Today, you can e-mail or live chat through the website. I was told last week, by Orovo, that a 1-800 number is going to be available soon. I am fairly new to the Orovo opportunity, but feel it is a credible opportunity.
Blessings,
HGardner
Gardner Products and Services
www.gardnerproductsandservices.com
www.orovoproducts.com
www.orovoopportunity.com
July 19, 2008 4:38 AM PDT
Thanks for posting this info but I'm still looking for info on why there is so much secrecy at Orovo about the founders and management. It seems pretty clear that Orovo is run by Garrett Devore and some of the promotional material on the internet is from Steve Devore, his brother. Has this relationship been acknowledged?
Have corporate bios been posted for Orovo, and for Garrett Devore specifically? I ran into difficulty getting straight answers to these questions when I contacted the company directly via their support chat feature ... I posted that experience here ( Why all the Secrecy at Orovo ? ) but never received any responses that gave me any comfort level.
Do you have any of the answers to these questions or can you direct me to any pages online that have the bios or related info or rebuttals?
Cheers
JT
July 19, 2008 3:35 AM PDT
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September 6, 2008 11:20 AM PDT
Lots of questions in this forum. I tracked down an email for Y Min Kim at OROVO and had this exchange. Min Kim ( Paul Kim ) was very prompt in responding and very forthcoming with some specific answers to many of the questions that have been posted here:
--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Doc wrote:
From: Doc
Subject: orovo
To: Min Kim
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 12:26 AM
Hi,
Is this the correct email for the CEO of Orovo?
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From: Min Kim
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 9:38 AM
To: Doc
Subject: Re: orovo
It is. What can I help you with?
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--- On Sat, 9/6/08, Doc wrote:
From: Doc
Subject: RE: orovo
To: Min Kim
Date: Saturday, September 6, 2008, 11:46 AM
Hi Min,
Thanks for the prompt response.
I was referred to Orovo a while back as a business opportunity, but have been unable to get some simple answers to some due diligence questions and am hoping you can provide those.
I'm interested in the relationship between Orovo and Garrett Devore. The registrations for the brand lists Garrett and yourself. The BBB identifies Orovo as one of three companies under his name, and there are tons of web pages on the Internet that talk about the same relationship.
What is his relationship and role in Orovo, both the brand name and the company?
The documentation also refers to the CEO's wife seeing info on Oprah and coming up with an idea for the product. Is that true? Would that be your wife?
Thanks.
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From: Min Kim
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 11:26 AM
To: Doc
Subject: RE: orovo
Hi,
thank you for all your questions. Seems like you really did your research!
I'm the President of Orovo (My American Name is Paul), and Garrett used to be CEO. He is my partner and owns 50% of OROVO. I own the other 50%. We are the founders. Garrett also owns few othe companes (I don't know how many) and since he is so busy with all of his businesses, I usually just run Orovo.
I know what BBB has on their file and my attorney is trying to change all that currently. It is not correct information.
I can personally tell you that orovo is a great company with best products, best prices and best service.
Hope that helps and let me know if I can answer any other questions for you.
thanks
Paul,
p.s. this is my personal email address. how did you find it?
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I followed up with a few other questions, mostly related to the BBB complaints and the relationship between the Orovo products and prior products from Garrett Devore Labs, and will post when I get a response.
July 19, 2008 3:31 AM PDT
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Orovo offers a full refund less shipping and handling on all our products, as long as they are returned unopened and in resalable condition. All returns must be received within 60 days of the purchase date. To successfully return an Orovo item, please include the packing slip that contains your account identifying information. Return your unopened products to:
Orovo, LLC
P.O. Box 2800
Orem, UT 84059
International residents currently cannot join Orovo due to legal reasons. We are diligently working to provide international customers with access to the Orovo Opportunity, so check back often for more information on international accounts. International customers can still purchase our products at retail prices through orovo.com and other online distributors.
You will receive your package within 3-6 business days after placing your order. Orovo ships through UPS and provides all our customers with tracking information. Shipping costs vary depending on weight.
We presently host Live Chat from 10 am to 6 pm, accessible from our home page. Our highly trained customer support staff can assist with any of your questions, personal or general. We are currently transitioning to a full service call center. Our temporary hours are 10 am to 2 pm Monday - Friday Mountain Standard Time.
The Orovo Opportunity offers a unique compensation plan, including a monthly reimbursement check as your Orovo network grows. These checks often total over $600 throughout the course of a taxable year. The IRS requires us to send a 1099 tax form to you for these earnings, which requires that we have your Social Security Number on file.
All personal information gathered by Orovo is completely safe and secure. We understand that our associates put a great deal of the trust in us as we collect personal information. That's why we guarantee not to sell any information regarding any associate at anytime. We host your information on a completely secure and encrypted independent web service.
You may cancel your Autoship status at anytime and revert to inactive associate membership. Just log in to your personal extranet (click on "login" from the main Orovo page), then click "Autoship." Canceling your Autoship takes mere seconds!
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