Lo estan haciendo bien, Además, me gusta tu foto! Tal vez podamos conseguir más escritores latinos Ahora que has venido. :)

Si,por eso mismo que dices lo estoy haciendo!

Ok, ok you got me, my Spanish is muy mal lol, I only know a few basic things from gradeschool, but I thought it was cool to see a different language used in Repspace, since most of us speak English, this will allow a broader range of posters, which I think is awesome.

Muchos Gracius por gusto mi foto :)

Hablas español?

JAJAJAJAJA!!!

Me gusta mucho tu foto!Muy original!!!

Como estas Beatriz, bienvenida to Repspace!

Soy Beatriz Baztan.Escribo desde España.

Me acerco aqui sin saber ingles,pero con la intencion de recorrer el mundo de la manera que puedo...por internet.

Os saludo a todos los integrantes de este foro y doy las gracias por poder incluir mi proyecto aqui.

Me encontrareis en facebock como Beatriz Baztan,y asi estaremos mas cerca.

Mi proyecto es sugerir a la gente crecer en salud y en salud economica,dos intereses para nuestra vida muy importantes.

La empresa que respalda mi proyecto y de la cual soy distribuidora,esta en crecimiento continuo mundial.

Sus productos se merecen algo mas que una estrella de calidad.

Son vanguardistas en todos los aspectos.

No creo que para la gente normal haya una mejor manera de tener riqueza en un futuro ,si no es con MLM.

Asi que yo os propongo que os unais para que consigais lo que deseais,ayudando a los demas a conseguir lo que desean,mientras cuidas tu salud..garantizado!

"Prefiero el 1% del esfuerzo de 100 hombres,que el 100% del esfuerzo de uno solo"

Informate en mi pagina !

http://www.luzdelagua.es

Skype: rontxete.Agregame y charlaremos!

Interesting,

Is this just an old post brought forward?  Does not compute, it has been nearly a year since any groceries were available.

Success to all,

Thanks,

I research them all looking for the diamond in the rough, and as a trend analyst, I look for what is unique and well positioned in the market.  This obviously is my focus in energy alternative industry as well, and my main business is developing a new plasma powered motor, so my main focus is this, but my other businesses have been funding development on this new technology.  Since we all eat, MHA was one such business I put a lot of hope in, sadly, it was a major disappointment, but then again, very few of these programs ever pay off, but I keep researching them all knowing that there are a few which will pay off in the long term, but MHA isn't one of them as I see it.

Success to all,

I did not know that MHA still had its grocery delivery business.  I an part of the secure sleeves/rebate program and like mlm_rambo, quite happy.  I get my checks and I get my commissions and I have gotten my sleeves.

I don't post often but once in awhile I like to lurk and read the latest info being pushed around here on Repspace. I want to tell you from personal experience that this was one exception among network marketing companies of bad products or company structures. My harvest America was pretty damn awesome. I ordered 69 items and paid $118.97, which I followed up with a full price check item for item the next day at a local stop n shop and there was no comparison. I did exact item for item, no generic brands in either purchase. Not only would I have gone in person to go get them, but I'd have paid $246.90. That was enough for me, and its worth having to pre-order my food for a family of 3.

People were always complaining about delivery time, delivery method, and I can understand that its tradition to go out and hand pick all your stuff, but in today's economy how many of you can afford to get exactly what you want, when you want? I read something about a new shipping company taking over, I didn't read the full article but it was supposed to streamline some of their processes and result in faster groceries. The other thing I thought was awesome was that I got exactly what I ordered, right down to an unusually obscure gum that my son likes and I can only ever see to find it at gas stations.

People have been pushing for a more public product list so that non-members can see the price difference and for some reason there hasn't been one established yet, but I assure you, if you had tried it, you'd have noticed seriously large differences in product prices, and the quality and condition of every item I ordered was exactly the same, squeaky clean, factory sealed and fresh. This is an economic thing which is why I was so enthusiastic about it, it didn't have to make you money, just the money you saved made it well worth it. The more I go over it, I can't understand what the reason a price list was never established for, they would have tripled their membership easily if people saw how severe the savings actually is.

On the Chargeback issue...it is my understanding that if you do not get what you were expecting (and that includes the free premium) you are entitled to ask your credit card company to reverse the charge.  Every may be different but that seems to be the consensus. 

As to whether the company needs new money to pay new orders.  It is my understanding that there is a business model that does not have such a dependency.

Freehome, you are the MAN, or WOMAN of course, I have generally enjoyed your input on this thread and you seem to have a ton of info on all of these. If you don't mind my asking, is Eco solutions what you're involved with now?

Good question,

It was originally designed as a home food delivery system, similar to Peapod, but unlike Peapod, who had leased their own trucks and delivery people, MHA was using UPS or FedX, so the pick and packing was done by kids at a traditional small grocery store and I had a friend visit and ask questions about relationship, there was no contract, nothing more than a concept which failed given it was a losing strategy due to high cost of shipping in this manner.  We all know what happened when fuel prices spiked, well prices went up on shipping which compounded issue of handling expenses.

As I see it, looking back, it was a strategy which was doomed to fail.  Why, simple, you can only operate for so long when there is no profit coming in other than the upfront fees paid by the new subscribers.  In short, this was a pyramid as I now see it.  Sure, we all got our groceries in the beginning, but covering the shipping costs was dependent on new subscribers, and when they lost the first supplier, this stoppage in grocery delivery was the first sign it was about to come to an end.  With concerns of getting deliveries, what do you think happened, people stopped joining MHA, and many stopped paying their monthly subscribers fees, meaning, no money was coming in to support program.  Just as every pyramid operates, no new money, no paying out to the older subscribers, so there you have it.

By introducing the debit card pyramid, operating on same concept, new members would fund the perceived value one was getting by purchasing the debit cards.  But where was the profit coming from when everyone knows you do not purchase these debit cards at a discount, so the only money coming in was from monthly subscribers, and like with the groceries, how long can you operate this way?  Sooner or later when the new subscriber money dries and slows down, now there is no money to pay the older subscribers, and this is what I see happening with debit cards, and why they now had to find another scheme, which is the credit card sleeves.  The same problem will exist all over again, when new subscribers stop coming in, then people stop getting paid, it is that simple.  Is this what is going on?  Who knows, but doing the math, this model will not work just as it didn't when groceries were being shipped, sooner or later the money runs out, and hopefully anyone reading this will run before that happens.  As to those who charge on their credit cards, if they get sleeves, but no rebate, you just may find out the credit card companies will not refund you since they did have proof of delivery of product, even if it was not worth it without the rebate, so beware.

Success to all,

Is this like Peapod? I think that was a program run by Stop N Shop that allowed people to fill up a digital cart online with the groceries they wanted and have them delivered in a truck, but I can't really see why shipping would be a major problem, because its relatively easy to maintain cool temperatures in a truck so long as yall can make a full load of deliveries within a close enough radius. I think if anything, it was irregular ordering and distance that put an end to this type of business, not to mention the possibility of mistakes, which you can't simply expect most people to bother having to send it back, nor would it be very feasible to send trucks back out every time someone is sent the wrong item. Groceries aren't pizza lol, and I think it was probably a combination of these kinds of problems that make grocery delivery difficult. I don't know how My Harvest America will fair, but it would definitely be interesting to see how an MLM fairs against the many failed mainstream business attempts. I'd be surprised to see if they end up succeeding where so many other attempts failed.

Hi Lil,  re MHA

I was comfortable with ordering product from MHA given that my credit card company backed any fraud or non-delivery of product.  Perhaps, your law background can shed some light on the current situation.  If the sleeves are delivered, but rebate checks not, do you think credit card companies would say the product was delivered, the rebate check is an income problem with MHA and the credit card company does not need to credit back the purchase? 

H in hawaii

Thanks for the factual response.  I was getting tired of the vague "its a scam and everybody got ripped off" allegations.  Unlike you, I do not personally know any of the principals.  However having spent many years as a consultant with start-ups I know that the answer is almost always more complicated.  I am guessing here but it looks like the previous programs may have been victims of their own success. Many times if you are under-capitalized it shows not only when you do not grow fast enough but also when you grow too fast.  You can't invest capital in expansion because you don't have it.  you can't hire more people because you can't afford it.  you may stick with a supplier who can't fulfill because you don't have the ability to go elsewhere.  Lastly, I practiced law for a number of years and learned that, especially when things go bad, there are three sides to every story.  Yours, mine and the truth.  Anyway, that is my two cents. 

Lastly, I am new to this forum but that big spammy ad that came before your post...was that really allowed?

Lillianrose

Good question,

One which I could not verify since first company started to solicit members when they dropped MHA. so when they said it was a money issue, it sounded obvious that they were not being paid, so take it for what it is worth.  The bottom line is simply this, when they moved over to second supplier, this too lasted only a couple months, so was it too a money issue?  I cannot imagine any company would enter into a relationship with a supplier without an iron clad contract and agreement, and apparently there was no contract with these two suppliers, and if there was, I am sure non payment would be only way to end agreement.  I had no real complaint about all the groceries I ordered outside of a couple missing items and broken or crushed, all of which a credit was issued, so I was as sorry as anyone to see groceries end.  I was saving a couple hundred a month, plus the time saving convenience, so I hung on when they promised last Nov. that new grocery supplier was soon to be announced.  Still nothing, so are they liars, or did their new supplier find out the truth from two previous suppliers.  Makes you wonder, doesn't it? 

Again, I cannot confirm the above reason other than conversation with supplier, but you don't get dropped as a distributor for no reason, and it would have been suicide if MHA dropped their only supplier without having a second one in place already, and as it took months, it was obvious they didn't, so any business person would know this was not by MHA's choice to have to change suppliers.  A friend visited first supplier and it was a joke.  It was a small grocery store with a couple kids running up and down isles picking orders.  When delay in shipping became an issue, they stated they were moving to larger facility, it turned out to be moving to an adjoining garage which was what grocery pickers told my people investigating operation.  They didn't know who they were talking to, so I take their word over MHA.  So believe me, when problems arose, our group dug as deeply as possible to find the truth, for which anyone of you could have done the same, it was not hard to find the truth.  Many of us put a lot of effort into this deal, and having known main owner for years, I was extremely disappointed, not only when Grocery Club failed back in late 90's for similar reasons, and then Harvesting America did same a few years later, for which I didn't waste my time on, but MHA was proof enough these guys are full of it in my experience.

FREE-FOOD-BANk

Hi Wallace,

     I don't know the answer to your specific Question but I have always had one of my own.  I have found no specific evidence that the loss of suppliers was the reason the grocery business had to shut down.  I have seen lots of rumor and innuendo which on the internet can spread like wildfire and quickly become "fact".  I have also seen rumors that it was shipping cost that caused the company to move out of grocery delivery.  In any event the company itself never shut down as far as I can tell and all of its people had a chance to move over to the new business model.  Given the severity of what is alleged by disgruntled members I have found very little company bashing internet wide.  And I did look.  I can only go by my own experience,  I buy my cards I get my cards. I am entitled to commissions, I get a check for my commissions.  Is the company extremely efficient and "together"  NO but the seem to be trying hard to address the issues.  As to the sleeves, I have presented them to small non-profits as a fundraiser and they have been well received.  They get a donation for each sleeve purchased and I get a tax writeoff.  The sleeves have my contact info on them so I expect they will also be a business builder. 

LillianRose

Out of curiosity, and I know this is semi off-topic, but for some reason I zoned right in on it and became fascinated.  I used to handle suppliers of hardware, tools, lumber, etc so I am interested in the dynamics of how it differs with food. What I'm wondering is, what kind of reasons caused the suppliers to stop getting involved, was it a money issue, a supply issue or aelgal issue?

Simple,

It is the pattern of failure, and when groceries were terminated, most people dropped out for the value was gone.  Debit card system was temporary fix, and then promised groceries never materialized, so you perhaps came in with only the debit cards, and yes, there was value there, and commissions were being paid, but any pyramid which slows up considerable is doomed, so experience says this is why they had to switch to cc sleeves, something which padded the profits more than just the debit card.  Besides, every debit or gas card deal has failed for same reasons, they cannot survive unless more new people come in to support the payouts to older subscribers.  I have seen it a thousand times, so all I can say is enjoy it while you can.  Ask yourself one question, would you purchase these useless cc sleeves for $250. if not for the income opportunity?  I rest my case, but again, I hope you get your money back and not lose any. I know the grocery industry very well, and when you lose your suppliers over and over, there is something wrong with this model.

Free-Food-Bank

Yes, Fred was involved with all of them, with different partners each time.

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