Hey Linda, I know you may be something of a skeptic, but you seriously need to take a look at Evolv if you're looking at different opportunities. These forums are full of all kinds of negative people trying to say that its an Evolv scam, and its totally not. I've been involved with Evolv for awhile now and I make a very substantial portion of my income selling Evolv water to all kinds of people, those with a few health issues in particular make great clients, and the water does so much for them. Several of my friends have had problems with dry skin, scalp, even dehydration, and they had no idea they were even dehydrated! Others had chronic headaches, insomnia, bloating, and bleeding gums. They have all had amazing results with Evolv, and when you begin to see it for yourself, you will be convinced to.

Let me give you a basic run down of how it works:

The average person doesn't drink enough water, that's like a major fact, and you can look it up anywhere. The same average people don't take full breaths, they are literally suffocating slowly, depriving their dehydrated minds of oxygen and having all kinds of symptoms like forgetfulness, headaches, confusion, and depression. They end up going to the doctor for any number of useless and in some cases; dangerous medications that they're paying like way too much for!

That's where you come in with Evolv water. You round up all of these poor people and show them the science, show them the facts, and show them that there is no Evolv scam. Explain to them how dehydrated and deprived of oxygen they are, and then teach them about Evolv water, and get other clients that already had amazing success with it confirm the truth.

Let me tell you about the product and I bet you will see how fabulous it is for yourself.

Evolv is an enhanced water beverage that provides Archaea Active, a very special and like totally rare compound, mixed with natural spring water to initiate hydration, leading to increased stamina, energy and endurance, and helps with the absorption of vitamins, minerals, amino acids, proteins and other important nutrients as well.

Evolv water helps to speed up the recovery of fatigue from like working out to. Do you work out? It helps you maintain healthy circulation, which is probably important for anyone older than 30. It helps your immune system so you'll be less mucousy, it will increase your mental alertness from fatigue, and you will be less drowsy as a result.

Evolv has worked on this stuff for like 15 years! and they discovered alfalfa stems, leaves, milk whey and enzymes from pineapple and papaya as essential ingredients. There is no Evolv scam, its backed by studies from famous research centers and its even supported by testimonials from like real people.

It only costs $49.95 to get involved and I'm making a really good amount of money doing this, so please let me know if you want to get involved, I know you will think its as awesome as I do!

Hmmmm, I sense the dark side in you.....

Just kidding. Welcome to the forums Linda.

Hi everyone, I'd like to take the time to go over a few companies that I have been really curious about joining, I feel that perhaps the time I've spent with my current MLM company has grown stale and that it might just be best to let it go. I have been a part of Wealth Masters International for quite some time, and while I have had some success, things have been changing in regard to policies and practices that I think I would prefer to leave out of this discussion, after all, this is the beginning of a new direction for me.

When I first began my journey 10 years ago in the weight loss and nutritional market, I explored various MLM opportunities, leaving many of them dismissed as scams and possibly situations that I might find myself making immoral decisions. I have always strived to be honest, and I have always valued my own integrity, but things began to slowly shift. I noticed that as time went on, my willingness to stretch boundaries, push a little harder, talk a little faster, and stay in a gray area for longer periods of time became commonplace. Eventually, I found myself having changed a great deal. I was signing nervous people up for plans I knew they could not afford, coaxing them into buying products that I felt deep down inside weren't good for them, products I would never ever use myself. I started to feel different inside, and this past year it has all caught up to me, and I am dropping out.

Don't worry, I'm not here to preach to anyone, I'm here because I still love certain aspects of sales, I love to sit down with new prospects and study them, listen to their needs, have great conversations, and treat them like friends, not just pretend. I want to find a product, a company, a comp plan that works for me, and most importantly, that I can believe in and sell to someone as if I have known them my whole life. Don't let the business is business mentality fool you, you know deep down inside when the money you make is healthy for the soul.

I've been out of the news loop for a long time now, I can see a vast array of new MLM's that have popped up, and I am feeling a bit overwhelmed at the prospects. Furthermore, there is almost too much information on the Internet for each one that I have no idea what is real and what is not. There are complaints about various companies that seem scary, others that seem absurd, while some of them have titles like Monavie scam, Numis Network Scam, Pre Paid Legal scam, and when you click on the link, its a company web site showing you why and how its not a scam.

My two daughters are grown now and have babies of their own, I am hard pressed to find a nutritional product that I think is not artificial, or bordering the line of unhealthy. I have been looking at Lia Sophia, Beauticontrol, Nuskin, Tastefully Simple, and a few other cosmetic and home fashion oriented companies.

What I was hoping to accomplish by posting here is to get some ideas and suggestions, especially from company reps that might not mind briefly introducing their company and maybe giving me a few examples of the benefits involved. I would very much appreciate the time and effort and sincerely thank you in advance. I will listen to everyone who makes suggestions and give each company an in-depth look.

Sincerely,

Linda C.

Hey Wallace,

I'm not a techie guy.  When it comes to building a network marketing company that's where I come in.  The specifics to laws, infrastructure, and even the energy business are beyond the scope of being a distributor.

I simply gather a few customers who want to save some money and help others to do the same thing.  Anything else above and beyond that I would or could give you would be an educated guess and would not serve you at all in building a business.

Ambit clearly has the financial ability to expand, but when and where exactly is going to be up to the corporate team.  Ambit focuses simple core philosophy of "never sacrifice integrity for growth".  Which is something I strive to do in my business, so I can't say anything other than another state is set to open this year.

Ambit doesn't reveal the state until the state license, business arrangements, and systems are in place to ensure a smooth entry into that particular market.  All I can say is that the timing is absolutely perfect.

Best of luck with your decision.  Feel free to contact me directly through my blog if you have any needs or are looking to get involved in the opportunity.

http://www.jamesyancey.net/contact-me/

James

James, you've made a fantastic contribution to this thread and I sincerely appreciate your input. A good deal of the time we're discussing various companies and complaints and its not very often we get a rep to give us their side of the story. It can be easy to lose one's self in the negativity of this subject matter, and I always appreciate when such responses are made. I wonder does Ambit have plans to expand, and how do these legal processes work? More specifically, does any part of your company actually build the hardware necessary for power to be provided outside the already present power grid, or do you operate through the companies already providing. If so, how does that work?

I'm guessing that if you use hardware already build by the more traditional companies, then you must pay them some type of fee or commission right? If not, then are there such a thing as grid laws? Laws that state that you can't build in specific areas simply because a company already has a grid laid out? I apologize for so many questions, and certainly don't expect you to answer them all, this is pure curiosity for me because I am interested in your company and how it works on a technical level.

@Rick

Hey Rick,

Ambit doesn't do the billing, the incumbent energy provider still bills customers all states but Texas.  Ambit does the billing in Texas.  I've come across negative stories from states we don't offer service in - so there is purposely misleading information out there. 

As far as customer service, Cynthia Young is the person in charge of our customer service dept.  She was one of the brains behind customer care of South West airlines, and does customer care for all ambit reps and Texas customers.  So Ambit definitely takes customer service seriously, customers are actually the entire focus and reason for the MLM model.  Ambit can't focus on internal consumption like many MLM's do consultants with Ambit must attract customers and keep customers based on a viable product who are outside of the pay plan.  At just over 500k customers something definitely working right.  Why not try the service some of my best distributors started out as customers.

If you have any questions or would like to speak directly with me connect with me through my blog at http://www.jamesyancey.net

Hey Wallace,

Ultimately I'm it's a combination of things including perhaps reps over promising.  Any company of Ambit size is going to have negatives found online and no company currently has or will ever have 100% satisfied customers.  I always say seek and ye' shall find - look for good you'll find it, look for bad don't be suprised if you find that too.  These stories surface because anyone can post anything on the internet.  When it comes to business their are always critics and people with opinions.

In regards to maintaining standards, I was referring to business practices.  Ambit could lose their license with the state if their practices purposely misled the public.  If your considering partnering with Ambit and have more specific questions feel free to contact me through my blog - http://www.jamesyancey.net

James

The crazy stories I read online caused me to hesitate as well.  However, as I mentioned before if you understand how the business works they just don't make any sence!!  We live in a small town, so just about everyone around here is either a customer or a consultant or has at least heard of Ambit.  I know tons of customers and there is only one complaint I have ever heard.  A couple people had trouble about 8 months or so ago with being double billed.  The thing is Ambit doesn't bill customers in New York, the incumbent provider does.  The people ended up getting a rebate or credit from National Grid who had made the mistate.   I will have to double check for sure, but I think the only state Ambit bills in is Texas - but don't quote me on that.  So, any billing issues are not Ambit's fault.  The only state that has a connection fee is Texas.  I know a consultant in Texas and she is telling me that the incumbent providers have been very difficult to deal with.  Telling people that they can't switch ect.

The other thing I wanted to mention is Ambit Energy has 2 guarantees in writing.  The first is the savings guarantee and the second one states - and I quote - " We are so certain that your transition to Ambit Energy will be flawless, we are willing to guarantee it.  If, for any reason, Ambit Energy Disconnects your service during the switching process, we will pay your first month's bill.  No questions asked."  end quote. This document is signed by both Chris and Jere.

As far as this guy moving to another state -  untill recently Ambit only operated in Texas, Illinois and NY ( now in BGE territory of Maryland and PECO territory of PA ).  I wonder what state he was in and where did he move?  The other thing is when you move and get service at another location, your incumbent provider is the one who turns your new service on.  After you have your new account number you can then switch service to Ambit.  You can't get Ambit service first, so that doesn't make any sence either. 

I have a cousin who has been a consultant for 2 years now.  He jumped right in and worked it very hard. ( I wish I would have listened to him when he first told me about this! )  Anyway, he is now an Executive Consultant and was recently featured with the big wigs from Ambit on the cover of Sucess Magazine.  He has a real rags to riches story.  He has thousands and thousands of customers in his downline and I know tons of people who have had Ambit for over a year and I've never heard any of these crazy stories.  Just the opposite.  Who wouldn't want to be able to refer 15 or more friends and get a monthly rebate check for doing that?  My usage last month was $49.44 and my rebate check ( for the 22 people I referred ) was $44.43.....I had to pay a wopping $0.01 toward my usage!  The month before the rebate check was to the penny of what my usage was.  Add that to the 1% savings and thats huge!  I can't wait to see what this months rebate check will be because with my furnace running my usage was $125.  I'll know on the 15th.

I'd believe these complaints were real if they were on a site such as the BBB.  If  they were real Ambit wouldn't be allowed to continue as a menber of the DSA.

I'm on the fence with you guys, because on paper the system looks great and yeah, having a good rep with the BBB is definitely a plus but somehow you guys sure have a ton of folks saying to stay away, and the reasons tend to be the same for the most part. Also, its not all that uncommon for questionable companies to have a decent rating with the BBB. The policies and rates aren't usually in question, its the stories that involve a lack of disconnection notices, false rate promises, and a hard lack of customer service. I recall one story of a dude moving to another state, having his service transfered and never getting a bill for two months. The electricity was turned off in the middle of a real hot season with a baby in the house (don't worry baby was fine)..but the guy was on hold for over an hour, then disconnected. Called back, waited another hour, and was told they sent out the bill, and never recieved his payment.

He paid the money he owed on top of a $60 reconnect fee, which, if the story is true; is bullshit. How can you have your service transfered and they not know where to send the bill? He also had to wait 24 hours to get his service turned back on. I'm on the fence with this mostly because I understand press politics with forums just like this, complaint boards and the way in which companies have battles utilizing word-of-mouth "tales", but at the same time, some of these complaints must be true. Needless to say, this guy had a horrible time trying to fix out his address and get everything back to snuff.

On the other hand, I have also seen posts with complaints claiming that Ambit pulls a bait and switch routine, where you get a discount on your first bill, and then the rate goes up the next month. In some cases, the complaint would be followed by various Ambit customers who are quite happy with their service and the company, and are more than willing to defend it, even posting their bill in some cases. I think a good percentage of the complaints are probably tards that think everything that doesn't completely erase their bill is a scam. I have no experience with Ambit weither way, but an interesting topic.

Damn dude, that was somewhere between hate-enciting, and depressng. Good post though, I don't know much about these guys with the exception of a friend of mine who tried it and said it was FAIL. He said it tasted somewhere between, old stale grape juice, prune juice, mollasses and do you remember that shitty drink called Moxy? Yeah, a real delight.

Its all too easy for these kinds of creations to be whipped up by any assjack with the ability to sell something, and there are a few other products we've talked about on these boards that share the same sentiment. Too much hype, too little truth, and a whole lotta suckas making these guys rich, BUT, I want to stress, for all the things people say, this company has to be doing something right because they're pretty damn popular. You can't just assume every single one is a scam.

I haven't seen too much on the internet that suggests this company is a blatant scam, but that doesn't mean it isn't. It's a "miracle" juice afterall, and to say a vitamin or mineral helps treat this, or fortify that, or fight off those doesn't mean much if its not enough to actually show a result.

I think its probably a load of hype and nothing more, but I've seen companies that aren't quite as good at hiding it..((cough cPrime cough))..oh excuse me.

 Thanks but no thanks.

This is a company that boasted how a series of 14 clinical studies have been produced that prove the effectiveness of their "bio active" beverages. They boast how they have conducted more clinical studies than "any other network marketing superfruit company". Well what is that saying exactly? I mean how many superfruit companies are we talking about here, and how empirically sound, are your tests; is your science, and are your scientists?

Tahitian Noni boasts how they maintain 52 "scientifically-validated" patents, a "research facility" and "scientists" on staff that have produced over 35 peer-reviewed publications. I'm not impressed, not by the product, not by the bogus scientifically engineered mumbo jumbo, and least of all by the sales antics pulled by its reps...

I read about an investigation into this company that involved a hidden camera used by a private investigator whom got in touch with a Tahitian Noni dealer. This particular TNI rep was running a web site that claimed the juice could cure erectile dysfunction. Mind you, these sites are at least supposed to be monitored by TNI, and yet the site was never dealt with directly.

As one might expect, the dealer discusses the 10,471 million benefits of the drink, and how it includes everything your body could ever need. Despite claiming that the substance is filled with healthy substances, vitamins and fruit juices, he fails to explain that the product can only legally be sold under the "novelty foods" category in accordance with the FDA.

Next comes the onslaught of "before and after" stories where one guy hadn't had an erection for 7 years, and miraculously achieved one after drinking Noni. Another one involves people with various wounds and lacerations, and how they heal up to 3 times faster while drinking the beverage. Yet another one involves an element called damnacanthal, which apparently is only found in "nature" and can slow down tumor growth. He follows this load with a story about people in a Netherlands hospital who were terminally ill and waiting to die, whom are now all walking around healthy due to having consumed Tahitian Noni juice.

When the undercover investigator asks about HIV, the dealer suggests that there have been some individuals cured, but that he "couldn't say for sure".

This is common for companies like this, and so long as claims are not made official, it is apparent that they do nothing to stop their associates from saying what they like so long as it is not made as a public statement directly from the company. Sadly, the company convinced famous actor Danny Glover to promote the juice, which he did, only to later retract his statements and detach himself from the company after seeing the hopes dashed of terminally ill patients whom had their hopes raised by these criminals, just before dying.

Hey.

Ashmax made it to my list of interesting prospects as well, but the more I research the less interested I become. Just their adds alone don't appear to be legal in the sense that they violate the things that can and can't be said when promoting anything. They do very little to oversee what their representatives say and do, and that doesn't appear to be anything that's going to change anytime soon.

I don't know anyone involved with Ashmax, but that says something because I know hundreds of contacts involved with many of the companies you find in the MLM world, and Ashmax doesn't seem to be in the same league as the rest. That isn't to say it never will be, but it doesn't look as though this company is going to be able to pull off the blanket of obscurity and take off.

My motto is: if you've never heard of it, it's probably not a wise investment of your time and effort. We aren't talking about stock buying, we're talking about finding reputable, marketable companies selling legit products and offering solid compensation plans that you can actually work with, companies that will actually be around for awhile.

This is nothing short of unbelievable, and once again find myself ashamed to be an American. Its not enough that we bombed a country and placed our own puppet leaders in there to secure the oil but now our MLM trash is jumping in to commendere its currency as well. That's really noble. I sincerely hope anyone who participates in this selfish scheme loses as much as they hope to gain. If for once, they could just put down their interests in favor of someone else's well being, and stop dreaming about all the crap they want to buy and be a slave to, maybe then they would develop some sense of morality when it comes to where you draw the lines.

I bet most of the suckers that got syphoned into this one didn't consider where their profits would come from at all, in fact I'd be willing to bet that the majority of them were probably in favor of blowing them off the map after 9/11, but have no problem going after the dinar now that its weak. Dinar trading is most obviously a scam, and for those that get suckered in, you deserve it.

This could possible be the great mother of all scams for the coming decade. The Dinar Scam might actually bump the magic bracelet scams out of first place because it's just so insidious and persuasive.

The Dinar Scam is one of the most popular being promoted right now, even having hype filled Dinar conference calls to get people pumped up about their future millions.

Here’s the info I pulled today directly from DinarTrade.com and via phone to their office:

They claim they will buy back Dinar’s at a rate of $900 per million. They sell them right now at the rate of $1220 per million ( that is DinarTrade.com’s exchange rate for today ). They claim they are only selling the Dinar's for numismatic purposes - but if that is the case, why is it linked to the exchange rate?

Here’s how the Dinar Trade prices break down:

You pay $1220 for 1,000,000 Dinars.  The actual exchange rate is $848 to 1,000,000 dinars.

Based on the chart, you can see that since February, the number of Dinar’s you can get with each dollar is going UP, which is the exact opposite of what you want. In order to make any money on this deal, the dinar has to drop from 1 dollar to 1175 dinars, to $1 to ½ a dinar just to double your money ( hypothetically, I’ll explain next why that also isn’t true and you get raped when you buy these dinars ).  So either the dollar has to get incredibly weak ( like literally finding out the 100.00 in your pocket is suddenly only worth a nickel on the world exchange ) or the Dinar has to somehow increase in value a thousand fold.

So first back to the exchange breakdown:

You pay $1220 for 1,000,000 dinars that are actually only worth $848 if you were to buy them through a legitimate Forex broker.  You have already taken a 30% loss the moment you buy the Dinars.

But it’s worse than that. Because if you want to sell those dinar’s back today, that you just paid $1220 for, they’re going to pay you back about $780 per million, so you’re $1220 investment is worth $780 the first day you buy. And you only get that $780 back if the company even exists when you want to sell it back. Otherwise, what are you going to do? Fly to Iraq to exchange them?

Here’s how most of these scams work – they usually have some ‘hook’, some fact that they spin to make it sound like it’s all legit and the best deal ever.

They refer to the fact that prior to the Iraq war, 1 Dinar was worth 3 US dollars. So that makes it sound like your 1,000,000 dinars that you purchased for $1220 will potentially be worth $3,000,000 US dollars when the Iraqi currency bounces back.

The FLAW: The Iraqi Dinar was never legitimately worth $3 based on the usual ebb and flow of currency exchange rates over time. Saddam Hussein got up one morning and said, “The Dinar is now worth $3 US dollars.” Anyone who was actually foolish enough to accept Dinars for dollars found themselves with nothing, because the currency really had no value and quickly collapsed to 3500 dinars to the dollar before it was demonetized. I.E. scrapped. Like became worthless paper.

It’s the equivalent of me saying “Hey, every 1976 penny in my collection is now worth 1000 dollars”. If I can find some sucker to give me $1000 per penny because I suddenly declared that’s its value, excellent, but it’s still just a penny.

Iraq could suddenly declare again that 1 dinar is worth 1 dollar. But who is going to be foolish enough to give a dollar for a dinar that’s still, based in true valuation and market forces, really worth about a 10th of a cent? There has to be a market, meaning willing buyers, to complete the transaction. You can’t just take your 1,000,000 dinars and walk into BofA and say “Hey, can I exchange this for a million dollars?”

It is more likely that Iraq will demonetize their current currency ( making it worthless ) and issue a new currency that appears to have more of a 1 to 1 currency ratio in terms of the dollar and yen.

Here’s another way of looking at the Dinar Scam:

Let’s say a Big Mac costs $4.00 in the US. It should cost about 4,000 Dinars in Iraq based on the exchange rate.

If the President of Iraq declares that 1 Dinar is now worth 1 Dollar, do you think you’ll then be able to go buy 1000 Big Macs with that 4,000 Dinars? Not a chance. Currency is just a paper representation of value, and you can’t instantly create wealth by arbitrarily whacking a few zeros off of the dinar. That would make everyone with  $848 dollars worth of Dinars in Iraq suddenly millionaires in American dollars. The Big Mac is worth exactly what the Big Mac is worth. About 4 dollars, no matter what the currency.

A better example might be:

Iraq’s primary asset is oil. Oil is at $100 dollars a barrel. That’s 118,000 Dinars. Does anyone really think that Iraq is suddenly going to start selling their oil for 100 dinar’s a barrel? Or less? That one day the President of Iraq says “Hey, the dinar is now worth 3 US dollars, so all of you with those 1,000,000 dinar notes, you can each now buy 30,000 barrels of oil?

This is just scammers preying on people who don’t understand basic economics, and that currency is just a piece of paper with no value unless it is backed by something of value by common consent. If you think your dinar is work 3 dollars, and I laugh in your face, you don’t get to buy what I have with them. McDonald’s says “Bite Me” to the President of Iraq because they still have to buy their beef patties from the US with American dollars, not magic Iraqi dinars, and OPEC isn’t going to say “Oh, okay Iraq, the rest of us are all just going to start taking a fraction of a penny on the US dollar ( or fraction of a Yen) for each barrel of oil because you decided your currency is now worth a bazillion dollars”.

I understand how people get sucked into this, and it’s almost impossible to deprogram them because they want so desperately to believe that they’ve found some magic secret to wealth. These scams come and go, but they always require the same thing: a large pool of people willing to be sold the kool-aid for 1000 times what it’s actually worth.

It is important to note that every state in the US has a public list of what are considered the biggest scams in operation, many of which include some of the companies occasionally discussed on this forum. Here is an interesting one coming out of Iraq, amazingly. This particular scam I'm about to introduce is a relatively new one and is rated the second largest scam in operation by the state of Utah. I also have a friend that has had the unfortunate experience of being tangled with this scam which I will get into later in the thread.

Its called Dinar Trading. Here is description of the Dinar trade Scam in a nutshell:

You take a country like Iraq, one that has been militarily, politically, and economically broken and observe the current state of its currency, In this case; the Iraqi "Dinar". When any country in its defined state has been toppled, the worth of its currency drops drastically into almost non-existence. When this occurs, outside entities have the opportunity to peer in and see what's going on economically and take advantage. I am a member of country A, and I am rich and powerful. You are a member of country B, and you can barely call it a country due to war and economic collapse.

As I observe your country, I can clearly see that my United States dollar is worth 20-30 times that of your Iraqi Dinar, but I can also see that as your country recovers and grows into a world power again, the worth of your currency is going to expand, and if I can purchase enough of it now, I can then sell/trade/invest it back into your country later, when it is worth 20-30 times what I paid for it.

Seems flawless right? Not exactly, there are a few things wrong with this picture.

When I purchased all of those Iraqi Dinars, I most certainly paid a high premium, plus a mark up, and even more for shipping. Then I lost some because of inflation, now in the end I paid about say, $134 for 170,000 dinar. Since they inflated yet again, and are now worth even less due to more inflation and I will continue to lose money.

To make matters worse, the political state of Iraq is so fragile that there isn't even a guarantee that in 5 years from now, the currency will even be Dinar's, there is also the fact that you are very unlikely to find anyone to sell it back to.

So you feel confident about this because even your own government suggests investing in the Dinar and even makes it available in US banks right? Those Presidential order 13303 laws were established under the assumption that Post-war Iraq would be in working order politically and economically, under the assumptions that it would be able to utilize its oil reserves and climb out of its 3rd world slump.

It hasn't, and it isn't even close.

Using currency exchanges to make money with the Iraqi dinar would work under very very specific conditions, and few, if any of those conditions are present. The truth is, Iraq is still a war torn country being held together by a string of American soldiers and a corrupt government barely capable of functioning, and policing its own cities. It is very possible that when the last US troops are pulled out, the Taliban and other similar organizations will move in and reestablish a foundation. It remains unlikely that The United States can afford to maintain the many vital functions of keeping Iraq alive as a country, let alone help trigger a self sustaining oil boom that breathes new life into the dinar, but.....its not impossible.

A friend of mine has lost nearly his entire savings due to his wife having become heavily involved in buying Iraqi Dinar, which has yet to yield a single return. Its a sad fact that like gambling, sometimes the desire to make money can become an addiction all its own, leading to the loss of it in an ironic twist. There are many companies offering this service, but the largest and most popular is listed below.

Many no longer answer their phones, or purchase back Dinars in any form.

Aww, you guys are so sweet!

I did it, and joined Tastefully Simple yippie!I really appreciate all the responses so much, and you have all really made me smile, thanks guys.

Jacob Tiller, I'd be more than happy to have you over for dinner so long as you don't mind a small apartment, and my 3 cats, they make a LOT of noise chasing each other lol.

Thank you for wishing me luck Rick, I'll need it because I have some totally busy days ahead.

Linda, thank you SO much for your pep talk, in your post alone I got a ton of ideas and insight to apply toward making this work, and my fiance even said he had some friends I could pitch to and that they would probably know even more people I could use. A close friend of ours owns a skating rink and said I can use it to hold super large Tastefully Simple events when I get big enough, and even hang some flyers there, which is totally awesome.

The girl I spoke to with Tastefully simple was just awesome, really nice and very informed about the products. She told me everything I needed to know and explained the compensation plan to me and it sounds excellent for me. I really believe this just might be the key for me and Craig to reach our goals. The representative told me that Tastefully Simple was one of the top 500 fastest growing private companies in the country, and I didn't know that.

It was a pretty easy process signing up, I called them and not even a day later Kendra showed up and did a small demo for me and Craig, she hooked me up with her site, and I filled out the registration. I will admit I was a bit nervous spending $170 to sign up but I really got excited thinking about how many people I actually have access to.

She told me about the commissions, discounts, vacation packages, and just how fun the parties are in general, so I'm pretty souped up!

Linda, I'll PM you my email if you would like to be my first girl, I'm honored!

Hello fellow posters,

Tastefully Simple definitely seems like a very interesting opportunity and the product line looks fantastic. Gee wiz if only they could combine Tastefully Simple and Tupperware I think I would be in heaven. :P

So Irataages, I noticed you suggested that you're not very familiar with how MLM sales work, so here is what I've learned having a decade or so of experience. Its very important, probably the most important thing I can suggest, is consistency. If you are trying different methods to increase the reach of your sales network, stick with them long enough to know for sure that they work or not. Real success isn't like an infomercial, there are rarely any overnight profit explosions in the real world. If you use a web site, maintain it, update, add content, freshen your pitch, interact on it if possible and make sure your layout is professional and "secure" in appearance.

My daughter tried to do this and she fell flat on her face because she was never consistent, in fact in some cases she had people calling her up because they were tired of waiting for her to deliver product which she was willing to do, but procrastinated. Live the life of a good appearance, "good" as in professional, presentable, speak clearly and confidently but don't push too hard, and the biggest thing in trying to recruit more distributors, LISTEN!!..

Personalize yourself with their needs, and especially their concerns, don't come across as though you are going to teach them to "sell ice to Eskimos" so to speak. Believe in your product, and make sure they do to. You're going to become a professional motivator you know, you're going to motivate people to buy, and motivate them to sell. Immediately spread what you learn to your down line, teach them what works as fast as you learn it. They are an extension of you, and the more you love and nurture yourself so to speak, the healthier the entire network will be, and the more money you will all make.

You already have a fantastic ally in the form of your network being mostly women. Excellent! Now you can appeal on a very personal level and show them all the things about your product base that you love. I don't want to go on any more of a sales rant, but I really like your attitude and I think you're going to do fantastically well!

I like the Tastefully Simple compensation plan, and in any MLM your motivation will be that much more sustainable when you really stand behind the product, and if your sales prospects including recruits see the genuine honesty in you, they will definitely join you in becoming involved.

I hope you stick with it Irataages, and if I can help in any way please let me know.

PS.. If I join Tastefully Simple, I'm going to sign up through you!

Simmer down Tiller, you don't need to be messing up all that success with too much Tastefully fattening chilli lol.

Just kidding bro.

Here is one plan I can actually promote, if you want to call it that. My best friend's mother has been involved with Tastefully Simple for a couple years now and in that short time she actually makes more money than his dad, who was basically the breadwinner previously. I'm all about organic foods so I can't say I promote the products, but I'd be straight up lying if I said it doesn't taste good...(watch out Jacob).....

Alot of  the prepared foods are loaded with preservatives, and some of the recipes call for pre-made common items I'd never use to cook with, but from a distributor viewpoint, you can't go wrong with becoming a consultant. She really doesn't do much to sell it aside from make the rounds with her friends and she has no problem getting stuff ordered and sold. She has a utensil and a cookbook for every single possible type of food on earth, and she gives the stuff away as gifts as well.

The company is pretty tight on keeping images and logos off of sites that haven't established legal rights to use, I'm not sure why, but it makes it difficult for critics to talk about them and use any visuals at all. Some people think the food is bad, or "simple"..(no joke, I meant that literally.) but I am pretty tough on non-organic or GMO foods and its slammin as far as taste goes.

If you are half as driven as you sound, I think you will have no problem getting this thing going. Best of luck to you irataages.

I agree with you that you should't have to keep buying to stay qualified.  Thats really not any way to run a business.  Because I take so much of the product I personally have no problem.  I'm sure others do though.  I'm really surprised that people are complaining about the taste of the shakes!  I think they are the best shakes I've ever had - compared to other protien shakes. Everyone I know that takes them loves them! 

To maintain your wieght after going off the shakes, obviously you can't go back to eating whatever foods that got you in the need for a weight loss program in the first place!  You must eat sensible.....

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Most of the complaints about Isagenix being a scam are either about recruiting, refunds or that the shakes taste foul and that it's really a starvation program, not a nutrition program.

For $150 a month you get the shakes. Almost every review I read says that once the person goes off the shakes ( and start eating real food again ) the weight just comes back. People might be better off investing in some real nutritional education and developing a healthy active lifestyle rather than counting on shakes and gimmicks to lose weight.

According to esimates, only about 3% of people involved in Isagenix actually make a profit from recruiting. Autoship will eat into most profits even if you do recruit someone, as you have to continue buying to stay qualified for commissions.

I don't understand why you have to keep buying a product to stay qualified. Why can't you just sell the product. Isn't that the way sales and commissions are supposed to work? That's the part I think makes people suspect the Isagenix scam and most other MLMs. Can you imagine being a sales rep for Hallmark Cards, and every month Hallmark sends you out to CVS and Thrifty and Rite Aid, but before they give you your commission you have to requalify by buying a case of cards to sell directly to your friends and family or use yourself. Doesn't make much sense, does it?

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Great post! It's very nice. Thank you so much for your post.

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Yes, we meet again :-)  This is actually Bill's wife replying to the Isagenix posts.  I'm the one that has the metabolic disease and I got into Isagenix simply for the nutritional benefit.  I haven't really done anything with the business.  I have talked to people, but we live in a small town and most people just don't have money.   Ambit is a much easier sell!!  As you know Energy is something people use every day without even thinking about it and the monthly rebate check just blows them away. 

As far as the ingredients in the products, not all vitamins are created equal.  I have tried tons of different kinds and combinations, but Isagenix gathers their ingredients from the best purest sources all over the world and there really is a difference.  There really is no medical treatment for this disease, even with the advances of modern medicine.  I do get Carnitine ( which is a natural supplement ) through the pharmacy, but thats it.  The rest is diet...weird I know.  Isagenix is the most super potent stuff that I'm aware of! 

Do you have a home business, or are you still looking??  Its hard to know what one to pick, there are soooooo many out there and of course they all sing their praises :-)  Niki

Bill......we meet again (Darth Vader Voice)...

So you work with Ambit and you deal Isagenix? Uber!

So this stuff works good for you to huh? Damn, between you and Jacob I need to give this company another look. You said you deal Isagenix but also work for Ambit Energy, but that you didn't get involved for the business aspect. Have you had any success at all selling it? I personally think the nutritional market would be hard at this point since there is so much scammy stuff out there.

Yes Jacob, I am a city boy, but believe it or not there actually isn't a gym for about 40 miles, weird isn't it? You're alright, and I'm glad to see you kicked the Doritto habit, that kind of stuff is terrible for you, all GMO foods are.

Sorry to hear about your condition Bill, but since the ingredients in Isagenix products are reltively common, isn't there something more effective in the area of medication available at all? Like a super potent medical brand of vitamins or something?

They say its 100% organic, can't be all bad....

Oh my god dude, chilax....

I can understand where you're coming from if this really happened, but seriously, you're going to mess up your blood pressure and develop whinititis from stressing over your 65 bucks. I get your point, you got had, it happens to us all at some point, but damn... you really have a need for justice huh? I won't knock you for hitting a few forums about it, but you do realize you have wasted more than one day getting word out that this company, or one of it's associates got the better of you. You said yourself you got some cash saved away, so take the loss and move on, you aren't going to see justice because there is none in business scams. Look at TVI Express, it raked a portion of a whole continent over the coals and they're still sitting pretty on a nice comfy seat of cool crisp bills. Do yourself a favor and go to a spa, or go for a walk man, see a movie.....

It's probably a scam lol. I'm just kidding, I pretty much think everything is scam. I do think its funny though that when I typed the word in Google, I got as far as the N and "5linx Scam" automatically appeared lolz.

Anywho, here is what I got..

I'm finding alot more good than bad, and a whole lot of obviously biased bashing from people who admittedly work for competing companies. There is also no shortage of those suction posts, you know the ones where they are titled like: "5linx Scam, don't join until you read this!" only to click on it and read a rave review written by an obviously biased affiliate. All MLM companies seem to have those though, so its no big deal. The most common accusation is that its a simple pyramid scheme, which, I may be inclined to agree with to some degree.

One complaint involved a guy attending a 5linx meeting, he was "guaranteed" (love how people over use this word in their description of an event) to rake in 50k a month, so he paid his $500 start up fee (sorry you are retarded to pay that much for any MLM) and found a $3000 charge on his credit card. When he called up Andre Maronian to ask what the charge was about, Andre responded that "he needed the money, and would pay him back" lmao wtf! I could barely get through that one I was laughing so hard. I don't know if I believe that story, but either way I think its hilarious.

I really can't find enough bad stuff about 5linx to say there is a 5linx scam, but I wouldn't exactly go in with the confidence that I'm at Bank of America, and that aint saying much lol....

Besides, who couldn't trust a guy like this lol?