Thank you Linda.

Very flattering. I have read some of the conversations here. It seems interesting. 

If you want to know more about Zija I am the guy! ;)

Oh goodness Scott, you look like a Nordic, Christopher Reeves! What a very handsome man, I hope you don't mind me saying so. :)

I don't know much about Zija, but welcome to the forums and I hope you feel comfortable to post any time!

Hi Scott, thank you for posting, I know you kind of stepped in on a predominately negative thread lol. This is actually light for us, trust me lol. I actually disagree with a portion of these posts, with the exception of the comp plan. I've all but hurt myself trying to understand it outside of your description at least. I am a pretty hard core organics eater, and what you said about GMO foods is correct, but not organics. Organic fruits and vegetables don't cost more long term because you don't need to eat as much. I don't know a ton about Zija, I don't know if its certifiably organic, but if it is, Kudos to you. I like the sound of it and I'm inclined to assume it tastes pretty good because most people that aren't used to eating organically have a hard time adjusting to the taste of natural, non-processed, non sugar-infused foods.

Let's assume it is literally 100% organic, then you got half my vote. By the way, is that link your personal web site? I like it, it looks nice, you did a good job. The other factor is price, at an average of $100 a case, its not reasonable. I've been studying the process of packaging, shipping, food harvesting and growing of organic foods, domestic and exotic and there is no way to justify the price, especially if Zija feels that the bulk of the health benefits lays on the back of the Moringa fruit. I can't comment on the comp plan, more so because I am very interested in the juice itself. In fact, I would really like to try a free sample if there is a way to acquire one in my area. I'd like to add about my comment regarding price; I'm not saying the cost is far from that, or that its completely insane, but I do think its too high.

My only other concern would be competition. There is an over abundance of it in general, and from companies that don't bother with organics at all. The non organic aspect actually appeals to the majority of consumers because we are really just entering the organic phase, at least here in the United States. The average person thinks organics are just some "hippy" thing, some even think its a scam lol. There are companies like Xango, Monavie, and many others using the same ingredients with even more than just the Moringa fruit, how do you feel Zija products compare?

Anyway, just picking your brain, I appreciate you adding to this thread.

Hello Jeroqui

First of all I would like to say that I agree with much of what you have stated in your post.

The compensation plan for Zija definitely requires some study. In MLM, in order to be compensated you are required to take action. Those actions are different with various companies. The key is that you take that action. As I read your understanding of Zija's plan I can see that you have not been informed of how it works exactly. Initially I was only interested in the products and had no concern for the compensation plan. I have found it to be very lucrative, and easy to understand after I have been involved.

The premise behind creating the Zija nutritionals was to provide people with a simple convenient way to get nutrition in their diets. Yes, we should be able to pick up a fruit everyday, 5 times a day and get almost enough of that. Yes we should be able to get vegetables at least 2 times per day to provide those nutrients. For whatever reason that has become very difficult and inconvenient to do. Not to mention, it is very expensive.

There is also another problem that is due to the fact that most vegetables have lost nutrient value over the last 50 years. This is because of production rates and soil depletion.  We can hardly afford to go to the supermarket and pick up the raw fruits and vegetables that our bodies require. Most people also can't afford it and don't have time or resources to produce it.

What Zija International has done is create a nutritional supplement that is 100% bio-available and enzymatically alive with 90+ nutrients that you can take once per day. They did this by using the most nutrient rich plant in the world as a base for all of their products.

http://thelegacyleaf.com/health/johns-hopkins-school-of-medicine-research/

With Zija there is no worry about going to the farmers market and spending 20 bucks per day and you just can't pick these nutrients up at the fast food restaurant.

I have to say that I have been very impressed with the products. They are affordable and have been very beneficial to my family. My family requires 2 cases of smart mix per month. That costs me approximately $190 each month. Being a loyal customer, I receive 2 free cases per year. So for about $5.75 per day I can provide my family with proper nutrition. It would cost that much or more, per person for one meal at McDonalds!

There is no denying that we should be able to do this without a product, but most people can't. This has been a welcomed alternative for me and my family.

It has also created amazing results for thousands of people.

Here are just a few of the ones that I have recently encountered.

http://thelegacyleaf.com/video/zija-weight-management/

I've actually been curious to try the stuff..

Hi Linda

Here is an interesting product and opportunity that you might want to consider. I have been involved for 1 year and I absolutely love this team and opportunity!

www.thelegacyleaf.com

Hey Linda,

Congrats to you for having the courage to step up for what you believe in. I genuinely hope that you find the perfect company for you and the search is a short one!

I just recently endured a similar search to find my opportunity. I am a Numis Network rep from the Cincinnati area.(as you probably already know)

Along my search I evaluated almost every MLM/Direct Sales company I could get information on.

In an attempt to not come across as too "pitchy", I'd like to list a few of the determining factors on why Numis was right for me.   

1. Of the nearly 4800 active DS/MLM's out there nearly 90% are all "me too" nutritionals (ie;vitamins,potions,energy drinks, or juices)

      While these are great for building emotional connections with prospects, I was ready for something different. With Numis there is no before and after photos or worries about the products working for someone. (Either you want more Gold and Silver or you don't) Which brings me to my next determining factor.

2. No competition

      I tread on the topic lightly. I know, I know, others are quick to point out the fact that other MLM companies have tried (and failed) the marketing of gold and silver through MLM before. The major difference being our main products are graded coins not just bullion.

      The market for graded coins in the U.S. is $10 Billion. Worldwide the market is $100 Billion.      No Competition, There is no Numismatic Wal-mart.......

3. I would love to have a garage full of the auto ship.

      In my last deal I was constantly adjusting my monthly order so I could make sample packs to get rid of all the stuff. (Had a hard time giving it away)LOL.... We were constantly tripping over boxes in the house of product we didn't want. 

      Now, we are all watching for the latest shipment with the coin of the month. Even my kids know and can not wait to get ahold of my latest coin.

That is a short list of the many reasons that led me to the Numis Network. I didn't even mention the money we earn, bonuses, trips, car program............. You get the idea.

Thanks for allowing me to add my two cents.

Good luck in your search!

Feel free to check out these links on the company, hassle free. I am not a prospect stalker (LOL)

Tony Fisher

My Numis Site

My Capture Page with testimonials

My Blog - Tony Fisher "The Blue Collar Networker"

Yay Linda! So glad I could help!

Good luck with your research, would love to read it when you post it.  I've been looking at them for a while and have tried to find a rep in my area but there isn't one.  So the consultant I was working with is going to send me some samples to have a virtual show.  (We're going to Skype her in and she's going to tell me what to do.)  This will be interesting!!

I've been debating with the options to join the Culinary Club vs. a personal use consultant if I like the product.  So I am very interested in your review and opinions!

All the best,
Ivette 

Hi Ivette! Thank you so much for the information,I have been looking at Wild Tree, what a great looking company that is. I was never really into organic eating until the last couple of years when I began to read labels and asky myself what in the world we put in our bodies! I never heard of Wild Tree but now that you have turned me onto them I wanted to actually try my hand at reviewing them and maybe doing a little profile like they do on these forum boards. Thank you so much for turning me on to them I actually think this might just be what I have been looking for this year.

<3

I have to agree with Ivette on this one Katie, I have been trying to go out of my way to be extra polite with my posts because I find myself a natural gravitate toward things that are argumentive, but I cant help but find myself wanting to tell you to take your Evolv and just....drink it :)

Incase no one has offered you a little insight on your posts, and how they come across, I'd like to offer the "objective" opinion that its almost hard to take you seriously because you constantly say things without any kind of positive reinforcement. On top of that, the very first thing you do after trashing something is replace it with your own product, which sort of screams bias, don't you think?

I know you aren't the only person here trying to offer products from your company,and I can understand pointing out the good and bad in any company, believe me, you won't find a harsher critic than myself, well ok maybe Rickdowns, but you can't trash companies or products based on a few posted stories that can't even be proven true or not. I can find more things wrong with Evolv and Evolv's REPS , than you have thus far with all of your posts combined, and let me tell you there is some serious negativity in your threads.

Anyway, just trying to show you a little tough love, please try to think before you speak, you don't want to come off as ignorant.....just saying.

Wow Katie, no offense, but you always seen to find the "worst" reps in every company.   

From what I've seen, this site is to help everyone their current company and provide information to help them make the best decision for themselves.   

If you'd like to find other potential Evolv reps to join you and your business, you might want want to try helping first, rather than only sharing your bad experiences. 

No offense, but Visalus reps are like totally unstable, and I read that a wedding was ruined over an argument that had broken out because a girl was angry that her inlaw wouldn't join. I know like nothing about the tree one, maybe that one's cool, but you could really just save yourself the headache and go with Evolv, this an established MLM company with a proven track record and a quality product that you can sell and consume yourself. Why not use your own health as an example. Not to mention the fact that we have now joined forces with XOWii and now are like, completely unstoppable. Every day I end up with more and more spending money because of my Evolv business, and now I have access to an entirely new line of products to sell so I can visit my entire netowrk one by one all over again, that is AWESOME!

Hi Linda!

If you want to stay with a nutritional product have you looked at Visalus or Wild Tree?  I'm not a rep for either company but I know others who are.  If you would like some info, I can send you their contact information.  

Visalus is a line of protein shake and diet products designed to lose weight.  Their nutritional value outweighs most of the other "shakes" out there and they have been growing like weeds over the last year.  Wild Tree is a line of natural products of gourmet culinary blends, infused Grapeseed oils, dressings and sauces.  I actually just requested a catalog from someone and I was blown away with the quality and how nothing is made with synthetic products.

Anyway, good luck on your search to find a new company.  Let me know if I can help you find a potential sponsor so you can get more information.  

Take care,
Ivette 

Lol, anytime, I admit that I walk the line of ignorance probably more often than not, but I'm just trying to express how I feel. Its interesting what Facebook can reveal about the paths people take isn't it? So he's just plastering ACN all over his friends' wall huh? Nice lol...awesome way to make all your friends look at you and say: wow, you really made it......and you stated perfectly what I've been thinking...who the *&^% wants to sit there on a video phone and discuss business?

Lets weigh the options shall we?

I can sit here on a telephone and sound completely professional and have a great meeting without having to put pants on, I can freely pick my nose, talk with my face planted on the table, tie my shirt around my face so I look like a ninja and you will hang up with as much respect for me as you started with. Now add a video phone, I have to not look rediculous, behave myself visually, look like an asshole as I work on the video quality and worry about lighting. LIGHTING! That sounds about as fun as any real business meeting on a day off. Video phones are NOT improvements in technology, they would probably be more beneficial to people who want to have phone sex, Jetson's style.

Ahhahah you guys are funny i would never fall for acn. your friend doenst sount too smart.

Ha ha ha ha............. Jersey shore fan......... PRICELESS!!!

Thank you rick. I genuinely mean that.

I have a friend from high school who just popped up as an ACN rep on facebook, posting crap to everyones pages and going all prospect vomit on everyone.....LOL

All I have to say about ACN is their main selling point........... you know the video teleconference phone thing........ Come on man? Who even has a landline or what ever............

Why pay for that when you can skype or EVEN better go check out VIVU.TV for about 10 bucks a month.........Hmmmmmm?

That's all I have to say about that.

Man.................... a plug for my blog would have been the least you could have done. LOL (Just Kidding)

When I posted the topic I had you in mind Rick! I knew that once you read this a rant was soon to follow..... lol

I do appreciate the shout out! (Tip my hat)

We need to watch each others backs to maintain the integrity of the Direct Sales/MLM industry.

Enjoy!

For anyone interested in viewing the original blog post with PICTURE,click HERE or check out my blog @ workwithtonyfisher.com

I have been trying to find more information on this product and I will tell you the reasons why. You see often when something new comes out, especially if it is based on a more simple concept like salt water, it is scoffed at and made fun of, but then some time passes and it is later discovered to be the truth. If this is the case, I would like to spare a company and its product of Darwinian-like criticism if it is not on proper ground. At the same time however, I do know that there is a very high probability that this is in fact a scam based on related products and companies that have introduced strange things, often ending up in the scam pile that we are all much weary of.

Is Asea really an immune boosting serum that consists of reactive molecules, that are already present in the human body? Are they really antioxidant enhancers which help your immune system? It depends if you feel that Redox Signaling is legitimate. A friend of mine who is a chemist has his own opinion about this and what he told me is slightly contradictory to the claims made my ASEA. According to my friend, "Reactive molecule" is not an established term in the Biology, Chemistry or Science in general aside from the literal meaning of the word, which is simply generic. Ultimately, if one is going to focus on the term, a reactive molecule would be bad for you since anything chemically reactive in the body is considered toxic. The term "Redox signaling molecules" is not a scientific term either, as "Redox" simply means reduction-oxidation reactions. It seems that ASEA is taking simple word strings and attempting to present them as scientific terms, which they simply are not. You will find on the Internet that many people are bashing the product and breaking it down as simple salt water, and that is because it literally is just that, with the ingredients being sodium chloride and H20. Salt water lacks any health benefits with the exception perhaps of helping with a soar throat.

My conclusion is simple my Western friends, that like many other products similar to this one, ASEA is another scam that is appealing to a specific market of entrepreneurs that are attracted to natural remedies, and preventative measures in regard to health. It is a booming market with many legitimate products, and an ocean of fakes. I always try very hard to approach all new products and companies with an open mind and an open heart, but this simply falls short. There is also the very noticeable price tag that comes with the product, said to be $150 for a case. Certainly it is true that if there were health benefits to consuming salt water that it would obviously be much cheaper than that, and would be bought in such high quantities that ASEA would likely have been unable to supply the demand, and it would also have been discovered a hundred years ago, yes?

Namaste my friends.

I couldn't agree more Rick, I learned my lesson drinking a bit of Monavie; that the desire for business and profits should have nothing to do with food, nutrition or health in any way shape or form. I am not sure to which degree if any, salt water is harmful but this idea is laughable at best. There is always some weird "formula", with some weird name and lots of hype to beef it up and make it look like its really going to do something. I think we have reached a time where we already have the things we need to treat our ailments and no combination of them is going to create some new super cure. The same goes for anti-oxidants, nutrients, proteins and vitamins. You can change the way your body absorbs a substance by producing it in some other way, you can add extra junk to it, change its color or produce it in an exotic country, its still not going to do much more for you than buying the ingredients yourself.

First I'd like to thank Repspace poster Tony Fisher for bringing this topic up, and I have hijacked it out of utter disbelief so that we can delve a bit deeper....so thank you Tony, and I hope you don't mind me stealing the topic and ranting about it...

What a very interesting approach the latest tin foil-crowned MLM whack jobs have taken in their attempt at selling you and I; salt water. That's right, the newest cure for cancer, aids, impotence and snoring is in fact, salt water brought to you by none other than a company called ASEA. No it wasn't going to stop at magic bracelets, oxygen-infused water, holographic stickers and whatever the hell else I can't think of at the moment. Now, someone has undoubtedly found some way or playing with words to make you think that you need to pay 150 bucks on some salt water.

The ASEA Corporate Headquarters is located at 6440 South Millrock Drive, Suite 100

Salt Lake City, UT 84121. Yup, SALT lake city, get it? hah! Sorry I couldn't resist it was there and I took it.

Their Telephone number is 801-973-7499, and their email is support@myasea.com. So at the very least we know they actually have a corporate office, a working telephone and an email address. Now we have to come to terms with their claims.

Asea talks about a thing called "Redox Signaling" which I find funny. Why do I find it funny? because at the ASEA site, you can barely find any information on it even on their page that asks; what is "Redox Signaling"? Here take a look at this entire page full of text that says absolutely nothing.

http://athletics.redoxscience.com/2010/04/05/redox-signaling-science/what-is-redox-signaling/

It says how some people don't believe in it, and also suggests that you go and figure out what it is for yourself... what? Can I be completely out of line even for Repspace and ask WTF? Seriously, who sells a product that contains some new science or technology, offers a page to tell you about that technology, and on that page, offers for you to go Google it? The most compact summary of it I could find was this:

"ASEA is a non-toxic, perfectly balanced mixture of Redox Signaling molecules, similar to those constantly produced by all living healthy cells. ASEA enhances and activates the native antioxidants needed to protect and detoxify the cells and at the same time supplements the signaling molecules needed to repair or replace damaged cells and restore healthy tissue and immune function."

More immunoenhancing, age reversing, nutrient infusing antioxidizationificating blehhhhhh...Another product with weird claims using weird things. It's salt water people, that's all. Where it gets pretty interesting is that Asea's online marketing campaign, or possibly a few reps are taking the approach of attacking the FDA, the medical profession, and even get into conspiracies suggesting that real cures for real problems are suppressed, and that the medical establishment here in the west as it is today will attack and ridicule natural cures and alternative medicines. I agree, however as you read some of these rep sites, they are only saying it to include Asea in with the poor, oppressed, persecuted victims like the guy who made a car that runs on water, and another guy that invented free energy. They could both be real, who knows, I'm no one to judge, but ASEA is a scam and anyone with half a brain knows it.

Please check out this link, it goes further into what I am talking about and may make the picture clearer since I am ranting again and probably won't be making much sense.

In short, beware the Asea scam....

This was originally posted elsewhere, but when I came acorss it, I thought it would be perfect material for this section of the boards. I think to say there at least 'was' an Neways Scam is putting it lightly. The original post was made by a member named Benlinost. Here is his original post, and below that is some info I found about Neways. I hadn't heard of these guys previously but found the company's history to be very "interesting".

HI..Im here to straiten out a buncha lies with a company that done a great service to the mlm world and added a wonderful selection of products to homes across the country. The name of my company is Neways International and we focus on making affordable products for you and your family in justabout every category. There has been so much complainting about a few of the ingredients found in our products and im hear to set the recoprd striaght. Yes... soribital and sucralose are found in nearly every household product most of us have ever used.. and has been used for a long times. They have not harmed anyone.. made anyone sick or unhealthy in any way... and they are a healthy alternate for sugars and other more unhealthy substances. At Neways.. we help you improve your health and beauty while leaving out a huge list of unhealthy things that are found in many other things. Anyways we make every thing we offer high quality and the best that can done. Scientists make the products and guarantee that they are as close to heal;thy as can be acheeved. Our products are safe from phthalates.. DEAs.. TEAs.. sodium laurels sulfates.. and talcs and are also made to be free of heavy metal... microbes.. and pesticides and we relie on scientists that each of our products are safe in the eyes of the scientific community. Also you will make moneyby selling it and finding more members to get invoklved its a great program. Please join and get involved today. http://www.neways.com/en/Product/ProductOverview.aspx

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Hi Benlinost,

You realize that back in 2003, Neways International was busted for illegally distributing a product containing human growth hormone? We aren't talking about a little sucralose or sorbital, we are talking about human growth hormone... It was found in a product called BioGevity and advertised as having a "rejuvenating effect", and it came in the form of an oral spray that could basically lower cholesterol, increase IGF-1 levels, improve sexual frequency, decrease wrinkles, and connect you with Jesus.

Naturally, there were enough people willing to by it and Neways sold like 100,000 bottles..I don't know how the company even managed to get HGH, because it can't be sold without a doctor's prescription. This led to Neways having to pay a $500,000 on top of forfeiting the entire $1.25 million profit. On top of that, they were on probation for three years and forced to report any claims made by anyone that was hurt in anyway from using their product. Before that, in 1993 they were in trouble for putting furosemide (a prescription diuretic) in a product they were selling called "quickly". On the label, all that was listed in the ingredients list was papaya, kelp, garlic, and lactose, no mention at all of furosemide..big surprise.

Now if the illegal activity wasn't plentiful enough in regard to their products, Neways founders, Thomas and Leslie DeeAnn Mowers, had to relinquish control over the company after being pinched for tax evasion and failing to report $3 million on commissions made outside of the country. I don't even understand how the company is still in operation, but maybe they have new owners. You can't blame people for not wanting anything to do with this company after a history like that, and to top it all off, I cant imagine why they didn't make an attempt at changing their name, and at least pretend to be trying to go legit lol...

Well, I'm not too thrilled at the moment. I really don't know very much about MLM companies, but I got suckered into this Procard International scam a few months ago and it has just been a terrible experience. I began to worry almost immediately after I paid the initial fees that signing up was a mistake, and I should have known that when the associate I spoke to said all their 5 year members make over 35k a year. When I signed up I received an email saying that I could cancel my account just by calling them or writing an email, and I didn't want to wait so I called and was put on hold for over an hour, and after waiting the hour I finally got someone who then made me answer a bunch of questions about why I wanted to cancel, even after getting upset and stating that I really didn't have much time. I eventually made my way through it and now almost 3 months later I'm still getting billed. I contacted them again yesterday and I was told that I never canceled to begin with. To top it all off, I never actually received the cards, which to me proves they knew I canceled. I don't know where this will go, but I'm getting ready to call a lawyer.

Yeah, I gotta admit that was pretty cool, and unexpected. Where is CRYtex anyway? mwahahahahahahah...just kidding bro. I really am sorry you got chumped, it definitely sucks. I have come to the conclusion, based on my research mostly, but also with a hint of TW that I just don't see Mlealeuca as being a scam. I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure its like any other legit MLM.

Holy crap, these people came at me with knives!!!!

To sell that is.

It's true. If its one thing I have always liked, and for once thought I might consider getting involved with, its cutlery. My grandfather was an ornamental steel worker who made his living selling wrought iron gates, hinges, tools and whatever people needed, as a result, my father got into metal working and ended up working for a renascense fair in Massachusetts making swords, knives and all kinds of awesome crap I got to play with as a kid....hell yeah. Having spent enough time around it, I can tell you what good quality blades are, and most definitely what they are not. I don't care, I love them all, hunting knives, fishing knives, kitchen cutlery, it doesn't matter, so when I discovered a small office being rented right next to my doctor's office claiming to sell cutlery, I went right in.

That was mistake # 1, but we'll get back to that.

This office had a stack of flattened cardboard boxes almost from the back wall to the middle of the floor, 2 computers, two desks and lAN cords and phone wires all over the place. I didn't really think much of it at first but the more I thought about it the more I realized they weren't even trying to look presentable. If you were a new company starting up, would you open shop when you have barely even set up a working office? One of the PCs had an open bottle of water sitting on it, and I was told I could put my coffee on there if I wanted and have a seat. I told the kid who couldn't be more than 19 years old that I was cool and I sat with my coffee in hand.

Sitting was mistake #2, but I had no idea I'd be sitting there for an hour or else I wouldn't have bothered. I didn't waste any time when he brought out a few sample knives and I jumped right in to investigate. The steel was mediocre, the blades varied but the kid made it a point to stress that they were all made in the USA, and I swear as he said it I saw Pakistan etched into the lower section of a paring knife. So I said, "wait, what about this one, it says its made in Crapistan" and he laughed and said no, its only a limited number of knives that are made outside the US, and only the blades.........yeah ok, the blade pretty much is the knife but whatever. There were also some kitchen tools, spoons, and a ladel that said they were made in China. I mean I don't get it, all quality issues aside, what's the point of bragging that you don't make your product outside the US, if only a portion of it is made IN the US?

When I stepped into this territory, I started to realize the kid was losing ground a bit, and I seriously didn't feel like arguing or lecturing even if I wanted to waste time like I do arguing here sometimes lol..I think he started to see that I was losing interest and then broke out the big guns with something that any man on earth would take a moment to look at, and that was Cutco's version of the legendary KABAR knife. Kabars are legendary for being one of the most durable combat/utility knives in the world, so yeah, I admit, I played with it. He told me it was made in America, and upon further investigation I later learned the sheath is produced in Mexico lol (who cares at this point)...

He then started explaining to me that there was now an MLM opportunity, and that it was due to the combined efforts of Vector joining forces with Cutco........Vector is Cutco's marketing firm, and for me, the death of any hope Cutco had. They basically go on campus raids and hunt down college kids to stuff in little offices and snatch up busy coffee drinkers to listen to them try to sell what they are told.

Get all that?

So imagine you're a college kid and you come across a brochure that offers $15 to $16 an hour to be a sales representative for Cutquality cutlery, and they promise that you can be own your boss, make your own and every thing. Naturally, being the lazy loafer that you are, like me, you call and send your resume because you're paranoid you might lose out to some other loafer who called first. In the end though, you get the winning phone call saying how great your resume was and that the job is yours! Now you're an independent contractor, you've learned the rules and how to sell but you just need to buy that first set in order to do your demonstrations at a cost of $150. Then you're required to pay for training sessions which are mandatory and why not? since you bought the knives already, now you need to be committed fully.

Congratulations, you can now make about $6 a day, good luck paying off those college loans.

I'm ashamed to admit that I wasted an hour of my time listening to this kid, but it was a touchy subject afterall. Not the greatest environment to drink my coffee in, but an interesting opportunity to share my little run in with this forum.