I am rejoicing to see some very good common sense in this thread because there seem to be so many people that will remain quiet until there is something of bad spirit to say about every person and every thing. These companies are not perfect, but it is important to really pay attention and not use words so loosely. This is getting to be very problem filled with people using the word "scam" for everything, and without research or defining what is a scam. I have come to learn a few standards about MLM companies that repeat over time, and that is how no company is without a few bad representatives that may lie or cheat in order to make a sale, this is a common thing I'm sure, but does it make the company a scam? No, it very much does not. Sometimes you might receive an order that is damaged, and maybe even have a difficult time getting a refund, but is that a scam? Certainly not at all. Perhaps it is true that you may lose all of your money investing in a bad company, and fail to make any money over the course of years, but again I ask, does this mean your company is a scam? NO :)

We must learn to be more diligent, patient and understanding in the world and how things work so that we do not slander and misrepresent the problems and difficulties in discussing companies and our experiences with them.

Love and peace

"You will notice that the Evolv web site has all of its information visible, including scientifically proven results, real doctors and proof that people who consume at least 3 bottles of evolv a day have significantly less health problems than those that drink bad water.Actually Katie, that's not exactly true."

Yeah, not really lol...

Nowhere on the Evolv site is their address readily available. Instead they had a form you can fill out so that you can send them an email. That's not a very good way to make people feel confident that you are ready and willing to communicate with them. I'm not trying to pick on you, but did you actually know if any of those things you said is actually true?

This is about as "scientific" as it gets on the Evolv site:

"The Evolv water product and Evolv gel contain an all natural, proprietary formula called archaea active. There is a very interesting story behind the creation of Evolv Health, which includes the company’s involvement with a major third party biotechnology company named Futureceuticals"

Katie, no disrespect, but this is what we here in the MLM Repspace community use a very special term for, and its called: "Bullshit". There is no such thing as "archaea active" as anything other than a fantasy ingredient in relation to evolv. It's the equivelent of me mixing whey protein with kool aid powder and naming it "Wheyoxidaid Particles", then jamming it in some bottled fruit juice and designing a cool new label. A bit harsh, but you seem to throw around the word "science" a bit too loosely.

In regard to Xowii and Evolv getting together, I can't decide whether I think this is a good thing for them or a bad thing. I just read a press article about it which had Evolv Health saying that the planned transaction is consistent with it’s previously stated strategy of exploring more opportunities that strengthen it’s Evolv business model. It was more or less business speak for saying they found a way to make money together. It basically means that some 20,000 Xowii distributors will be able to trade names and suggestions for Evolv and vice versa, possibly even packaging products together or adding Evolv water to Xowii products and boosting the price a bit, or a lot, we'll see.

According to Trey White, the chairman of EvolvHealth, the company looks forward to welcoming Richard Kelly, James Christiansen, Josh Higginbotham, and all of  XOWii's distributors to the Evolv family. I wonder if this suggests that XOWii was somehow going down the tubes and Evolv found a means by which to boost profits with their product.

"Our goal was to expand our health offering in 2011 and XOWii had exactly what we were looking for, and much more. This new partnership is an exciting opportunity to reach new consumers and representatives and to generate significant growth for 2011 and beyond.” -Trey White

Either way, Xowii had a pretty strong launch just half a month before  Evolv and managed to rake in  $15 million. At least the new combined management claims that its 90 Day Challenge program which was pretty successful for Xowii will be introduced to all distributors of the combined company, so it will include Evolv. Another thing stated by Brent Hicks, the CEO of Evolv is that the joinign companies will be able to expand into  Canada, Mexico and eventually Colombia. It never occured to me that there was a strong market for this kind of stuff in Columbia, but I guess you learn something new every day.

I'm still wondering if one or both companies weren't doing quite as well as projected and decided to try to team up in order to stay afloat. Maybe one or more of their products weren't going to last much longer without some type of counter component. I'm curious to keep an eye on this and see what happens over the next year or so. I also wonder if the distributors are happy about the change, and in what ways it affects them.

Will you be willing to share your thoughts on this Katie, and were you aware that the combination of these two companies has the potential to rewrite specific guidelines in your compensation plan?

Hi Rick, I you're really interested in Evolv water please email me at Katievolv@gmail.com and I will send you any information you need including my reference number incase you would like to join my team. I can send you a free sample as well if you would like to try Evolv water and I promise you that if you try just one water you will notice a difference right away Rick. This is not a scam, this is like a totally legitimate cure all for so many different things.

You will notice that the Evolv web site has all of its information visible, including scientifically proven results, real doctors and proof that people who consume at least 3 bottles of evolv a day have significantly less health problems than those that drink bad water. You don't even want to know what is in your water people, seriously.

I would also like everyone to know that Evolv water is accepting XOWII into its wonderful family, yay!!! XOWii does all those yummy shakes that help you diet and be thin............so I'm totally proud to know this is happening.

If anyone has any questions or wants to order Evolve please leave your contact info or email me at the above address, which again is Katievolv@gmail.com ...thankies!

Watchdog this is a fantastic post, what a great idea. Many of us really needed this post for better guidelines on the terms we use, as it can become very easy to label something a scam just by looking at a CEO's picture. I am the first to admit to a fairly strong bias when it comes to observing many of these companies, but I have been trying to be a lot more lenient and much less judge mental. I generally read most of your posts because you have a very sharp eye and much broader understanding of these companies than the average bear, more so than I especially.

Management is an excellent starting point, especially in regard to finding any individuals whom have made the grand list of business deviants involved in some of the more well known scams like TVI Express. Tarun Trika is an example of someone I would not so much as give my contact info to, were I to come across him. I wonder if maybe a special thread specifically designed for discussion about the more sinister individuals in the CEO world might be a good idea.

The mention of random, vague company names as bogus references, and a lack of specifics when it comes to bio's is also a fantastic point. A lack of address is one I noticed all too often when I was researching many of them for a good friend of mine. There are some with no phone numbers, no addresses, and no references at all, almost as if they don't exist aside from a story and a web page.

It never occurred to me about the domain registration by proxy. I can get on the Internet, I can build computers, but in general most people, including myself, wouldn't understand how to view such information. I would love a small example perhaps if you could show us where to look on a random web site.

I've seen a few "All Hype, No Product" situations, one anonymous company in particular has a product I'm about to test, to see if it lives up to the hype. It has been the longest pre-launch I've ever seen, I have debated reps, demanded more info that they simply couldn't/wouldn't divulge, and tried to contact them but could never get any relevant information. I will know pretty soon if the product even exists.

Number 5 on your list is another one that wouldn't have even dawned on me. I guess for a portion of people trying desperately to create the next big thing, they will go to any length to find recognition of any kind for their company, including creating a completely artificial appearance.

Excellent stuff as usual Watchdog.

I think it's important to identify what you mean by MLM Scam.  You can throw the scam label at virtually any MLM / Network Marketing / Home Party or Direct Sales company just by saying they have a multilevel commission structure, so they must be an MLM Scam.

And the scam term seems to be thrown around her quite frequently, but to me there are specific elements that make me question a company and form a personal opinion about their status as a "scam":

1. Management

Who are they and what are their backgrounds? Do they use vague references in their bios like "Started a multi-zillion dollar company" that for some reason they won't name. If I founded Google or Facebook, I sure as hell would be mentioning that by NAME in my bio. This is probably the number one red flag for me. If you have an awesome exectuive history, then put the facts out there in your bio.

2. No Address or Phone Number

No physical address or phone number on your website? Why not? If you are selling a product, why wouldn't you have it out there? It doesn't matter if it's your home office and a cell phone. Everyone can work from home now and you can run a large corporation from your closet via telecommuting. But when the info just isn't there, it's suspect.

3. Domain Registration by Proxy

No physical address or phone, and even the web registrant is secret? Something must be fishy.

4. All Hype, No Product

Speaks for itself. "It's going to be the biggest, most awesome, sizzling MLM company every launched"... Until next year after it fails and the same executives launch the bigger, more awesome-er, more sizzlerific MLM.

5. Hyping being Publicly Traded on the NASDAQ as Validation

I haven't seen a single new MLM company in a decade that launched, became super successful, then went through the process to become publicly traded unless it was done via "Reverse Merger". Take a bankrupt company shell, shuffle some paperwork, presto you are publicly traded. That's not validation. It may be an incentive to reps, more likely an incentive to management. Most of the time it just seems like a pump and dump money play.

Just my two cents. Probably only worth one.

Ok Katie, I'll tell you what. I still think this a shambaroni, but I'm willing to try a sample of Evolv, and if I notice any results I'll be more than happy to discuss them here. How can I contact you in order to get a sample, do you have a business phone?

May I say what goodness there is in Mr. Travis Walton for coming to fix this situation, I am very happy to see such care that a company can rely on its great members to represent it properly. This is something not seen very often and should be commended whenever possible. I too would like to see if Crytex returns to claim his refund, and I only hope that he does not refrain simply out of pride. We all understand that you feel you have been ripped off but the best solution is to create a great out come even if it means being wrong. Please consider this as truth my friend.

Namaste

I'm not sure how you quote someone so I'm going to go ahead and copy/paste what Crytex said.

Travis, I see no point in arguing over the likelihood of the company or the products. Melaleuca screwed me as far as I'm concerned, if not through a bad rep, then they screwed me by not taking action against a seriously vile sales associate. In fact the better me wants to tell you that I really appreciate your offer, and I think its a very noble action on your part to make something right on the behalf of a company you seem to really stand by. The other side to me wonders if you are not unlike the associate I spoke to, that you already know I have no solid proof because the call wasn't recorded in any way, so I don't really win as a concerned customer do I?

All I have is my story, and I assure you its the truth. I am a very patient man and I leave room for people to make mistakes, bad calls, and errors, but I can't sit here and praise a company that clearly just ripped me off. These kinds of things are what this section of the boards are for, and if no one reports this kind of crap then someone less well off than me is next in line for a wallet scrape. I would not have enjoyed knowing a company I worked for and believed in, would do something like this, and I sincerely commend your efforts in regard to Melaleuca's name, and in being willing to personally reimburse me, but I want to see action directly from the source before I change my opinion or stop warning people.

Crytex, I am the source as far as I'm concerned. You show me something, a bill, proof of membership, give me the distributor ID that came with yours, or your son's packet and you have my word I will reimburse your money plus 20 dollars. I'll pay you by check, Paypal, or in Melaleuca product credits, you choose. My personal challenge to you is to show even the smallest bit of evidence so that I can see you aren't a disinformation agent with a competitor. I see nothing wrong with that as a request and I would think you might jump at the opportunity to be reimbursed for your troubles.

I wasn't trying to make it sound as if you were lying, but there are many sources of bad information in this industry and its important that I have some type of criteria for dissernment. I can understand being irritated but you should know that in doing some research of my own that there is no "Beth" on record that works in or around the call centers that would have recieved your call, so I'm baffled as to who you spoke to that even confirmed she exists. Having learned this,  I am trying to figure out on which end this issue seems to have surfaced.

Please update this post so I have an answer, I would appreciate the opportunity to make this right for you.

Boy I don't know Rick, you always have a way of making me feel better about some of the more harsh things I sometimes say in my posts lol, but I can certainly appreciate your passion. I'm noticing a lot of organic talk on this forum, and apparently several of us eat only organic food, which is cool. One thing you might want to keep in mind is that for people whom only eat healthy, organic food, their taste buds can sometimes be extremely sensitive to things, especially fruits you may otherwise not be very used to. I can certainly understand your "distaste" for eXfuse (no pun intended) but I'm not sure if I would call this an eXfuse scam. Anything with Goji, Noni, Gac, Açaí, Seabuck thorn, Mangosteen, and Brown Seaweed is going to definitely pack some nutritional punch, taste included. Watchdog wrote up a really good post in another thread about what constitutes a scam and having read that, I've tried to be a little more careful about how much I use that word. I'll see if I can find the link and link it here.  Clicky

I know you specified that you weren't exactly saying it was a scam, but still, you posted a whole new thread about it. I have also tried this juice and found it to be very, very strong. I really can't say if it was the sugar/sweetener or something else, maybe just fruit juices that I wasn't used to. I can see where you're coming from with that. I've had no luck finding any kind of legitimate eXfuse scam accusations anywhere on the Internet aside from the usual complaints you find about people getting opened containers, or being charged and not receiving product, but those float around everywhere and really aren't verifiable. I'd like to know if anyone has had any distribution problems with eXfuse, unfortunately I don't know anyone who is actually selling it. It seems to me eXfuse is probably drowning in obscurity due to companies like Tahitian Noni International and Xango who seem to have had a lot more exposure.

So I decided to take a look at eXfuse because a friend of mine brought it up when we were talking about lame MLM's and scams. I'm not saying its lame or a scam exactly, but I don't like it and I wanted to share my dislike with you. You can thank me later.

eXfuse makes a few nutritional beverages it calls Seven, Seven pro, and Seven focus, which incorporates the usual suspects you find all over the MLM world into it's products, which for once I can say from first-hand experience; tastes like the super refined, high fructose megafruit syrup, with 10 buckets of sugar thrown in for good measure....infused with a sweetener.

Now I'm not saying that there are no health benefits to drinking something with Noni, Gac, Goji, Açaí, Mangosteen, Seabuck thorn, and Brown Seaweed in it, but for the love of god when you make a super drink designed to strip my skeleton of all impurities including consciousness, please take it easy with the sugar. Now I can't fairly tell you which of the three drinks I tried because it was actually during a health food expo I attended when I visited Georgia awhile back, but I can tell you that it took sweet to a whole new level, one you don't want to achieve.

The weird thing is, that when you look at the nutritional label of Seven classic for example, it really doesn't contain a ton of sugar, so I don't have much of an explanation as to why the one I tried was like this, but I wasn't the only one who had to spit it out, with the exception of my friend's 9 year old son who loved it.

Enough picking on the taste, lets get into the actual scam/not a scam part.

Its not a scam to force people that want to order it to go through a distributor, but its awfully gay. Maybe I don't want to buy from a middle man, maybe I want it from the source. Another thing I don't like is that the official web site has no information about start up costs. That's a load in and of itself because I shouldn't have to look for a review, or a 3rd part site. The company should provide information like this and have it readily available for anyone wanting to join. If it is in fact on the web site, I sure as hell couldn't find it, and I simply eXfuse to keep looking. heh, like that?

I've heard all number of complaints and eXfuse scam terms, not the blatant take your money and fold complaints, but the kind where distributors are told they can't sell the product on eBay, or buy a huge supply only to be told they broke some stupid regulation and now they aren't allowed to sell the rest of their supply UNLESS they promote the plan itself. That's crap, brought on from drinking the stuff in the first place. I can't trust any company that puts its network plan before the product, because that means the product ends up being little more than a worm on a hook, and whether its legal or not, that's scammy.

Other complaints revolve around the condition of the products they order in the first place. You tell me, what's worse than receiving a bottle of bad-taste collage edition alien-fruit mix? How about an unsealed bottle of bad-taste collage edition alien-fruit mix...yeah it has happened quite a bit according to the Internet. Sure, its an exotic beverage from an exotic place, and apparently its made from exotic individuals to, who follow exotic health regulations.

I don't know that I can fairly call this as an eXfuse Scam, but If their business practices resemble the product in all its glory, I wouldn't be surprised if it was bottled in a Cuban prison.

Hi Wallace, I know what you mean about getting carried away on these things!  Now I'm thinking that I gave the wrong impression :-)  Most people probably do take Isagenix products for weight loss, but for me its just the nutrition.  I absolutely agree with you - they are way over priced!  Medical Insurance doesn't cover my supplements of course, so what I spend to keep myself as healthy as possible does take a toll.  I take way more then just the shake.  I also take the cleanse, Ionix Supreme and the new Ageless Essentials Vitamin Packs.  The vitamin packs actually save me money because its a combo of several different products. 

I mentioned before I don't actively do much with the business.  The cost is a big obstacle, but I do have a couple friends that take it.  I don't know if you are looking for something to do at home, but if you are you should really check out Ambit Energy.  We have a small construction company, a sub-division bought right when housing crashed and some rentals and other real estate.  We became Consultants for Ambit because we were hurting with this economy.  Energy just made sence because everyone uses it even during a recession.  Ambit gives a guaranteed savings, travel points and more.  They were just named the #1 Fastest Growing Company in America by Inc 500 and they are rated A with the BBB.  They operate in NY, Texas, Maryland, Illinois and PA.  Sorry, I'm just throwing that out there!  If you want to check it out our website is www.bestworkfromhome.net  I'm still tweaking the website....

Oh, and I don't like the Vanilla shake, but the chocolate is awesome.  Its the best protien type shake I've ever tried.  The liquid Ionix and cleanse are pretty gross, but you can put them in juice.  When you are almost bedridden and can hardly even talk, you will take anything to make yourself better no matter how nasty it tastes!  LOL  I try not to pay attention to what I spend, but I'm wondering what your looking at thats $175?  The weight loss system pack is $300 for a 30 day supply - yeah, I know!  That comes with snacks and an accelerator - stuff I don't take.  I also only take 1 shake a day instead of the 2 the system provides for....

Hi Niki, you're probably right about it being superior to Slim Fast, and if Isagenix is not specifically a weight loss product, I apologize for the assumption. I think its fantastic that you're getting everything you need in order to combat your disorder with a shake, that definitely beats the hell out of medications if they had any that helped. Slim fast really isn't particularly healthy, so I guess my comparison was more in regard to the business behind it, but just about anything is better for you than Slim Fast. I lose myself a bit on these forums and especially lately, I can be a little ignorant only to come back and apologize the next day for some aspect of what I said....:p

I stand by what I say when it comes to these companies, in that I feel they are overpriced, (come on you have to agree with me on that one) gimmicky, and sometimes fail to live up to their own hype, but at the same time, I haven't tried this product, and it may very well do what they say it does, and you certainly seem pretty easy going and honest, and they are helping you. How you can afford it at $175 is beyond me, but I suppose if it has every vitamin you could possibly need, you might pay the same for vitamins separately, I know my fiance and I spend close to 25 a month for ours.

In any event, thank you for your 2 cents. How does this product taste anyway?

 I feel the problem is most people are only associating Isagenix with weight loss.  Because of my metabolic disease ( Mitochondria Myopathy ) I have higher nutritional requirements then the average person.  I am in Isagenix only for my personal needs and have really not done anything with the business.  I have never been over weight and therefore don't take Isagenix for weight loss. Since being on the products my energy & well being have improved a remarkablyl.  In my experience their is no product that can compare to the Isagenix products including slim fast.  My cousin is a wrestling coach and takes only the Ionix Supreme and no other Isagenix products.  He has been trying to get the whole wrestling team to take it becuase of how much energy its given him.  In my opinion, Slim Fast isn't even in the same nutritional category.......but thats just my 2 cents :-)

Niki

This falls in line with a somewhat popular formula that has been around for ages. I can't say if Slim Fast was the first, but the principle really hasn't changed. Originally, Slim Fast hit the market over 25 years ago, and they nabbed Tommy lasorda to do promos for it, which made it super popular in the 80s. People have basically known next to nothing about nutrition until the last 100 years or so, and even the last 20 years has revealed a lot. These companies simply study the average consumer and learn what makes them hungry, what they want to eat, and how to get as close to giving it to them without going over the daily allowance of calories and carbs that determine whether or not you gain wait. They really aren't blatant scams exactly, they're just unnecessary because losing weight is a simple formula, it always has been and always will be. It takes effort, and self control.

Isagenix is ultimately just another slim fast clone, maybe with newer ingredients, but using the same formula; "Here is what your body needs, covered in yummy chocolate." Honestly, you can't knock the effort, because a major contributor to the way so many Americans eat is a busy schedule and lack of convenience. You want to get up earlier before work to make the salad you should eat for lunch, or you want to pop a dollar in a machine and grab some delicious ready-made cheddar sun chips? Isagenix gives you something you can just stick in your briefcase, just like Slim-Fast did, and if you follow their guidelines, which are the well known universal ones disguised as a secret, special, impossible to duplicate, impossible to get fat on unless you're a slug guidelines, you will lose weight.

So it becomes a matter of taste, cost, and convenience. Just my 2 cents.

Congratulations to Jacob and to Bill for getting healthier bodies, I am happy for both of you. I am not so sure it is Isagenix shakes but your effort after all. I haven't tried Isagenix, but I wanted to ask if they were all natural? Does this product contain any chemicals, such as preservative? If so, you should research the effect of preservatives on the body. Otherwise, it sounds like Isagenix is a very good business opportunity, with many people like yourselves having such great success!

Peace to you.

lalwz man, lawlz.

That's one of the greatest things you've ever posted JG.

If I understood correctly you're saying Monavie gives you mad gas right? Maybe it actually does have prunes or something like prunes as an ingredient. Actually now that you mention it, I'm going to see if I can find a full list of ingredients because I'm curious now.

Monavie has been getting more and more popular it seems and I'm really beginning to wonder if its not worth looking at from a business perspective. I also wonder where and how its bottled, anyone happen to know? Nevermind I'll research it now and include it in my post.

Monavie active blend contains this: Acai (freeze-dried powder and acai puree); fruit juice from concentrate (white grape, nashi pear, acerola, aronia, purple grape, cranberry, passion fruit, apricot, prune, kiwi, blueberry, wolfberry (Goji), pomegranate, lychee, camu camu); fruit purees (pear, banana, bilberry); d-gulcosamine hydrochloride, esterified fatty acids, natural flavor, citric acid, sodium benzoate, potassium sorbate.

So lets go ahead and assume this will probably definitely give you gas, I mean that's some serious fruit potency right there. That seems like it would taste sweet and give you some gas Jeroqui. I won't lie to ya though, if I thought the ingredients were all organic, I think it would taste slammin!

Hello to both of you!

I have tried MonaVie juice and would like to relate to you Avalon, I am one to deeply enjoy spicy foods, and strong fruit juices but I too, noticed a very offensive process begin inside of my tummy after having only a small cup of Monavie pulse and almost immediately a great wind had stirred inside of me and I had to go outdoors and spend some time alone as not to offend my family.

I found the taste to be too sweet for my pleasure but I am often finding many popular beverages to be too sweet for me. I was not very satisfied with the aftertaste also, as it left a strange residue in the back of my throat and I had to cough to try to clear it. I am not certain if this juice is good for the body, but my body rejected this product, and so I will honor my body, and those around me by not consuming it.

Namaste.

This was a really great thread, I enjoyed it alot, just read it from top to bottom and I have to agree, Tastefully Simple seems like its a good company for the right kind of person. Not a bad price for start up either, and of course if you are a man or a woman who really appreciates food, recipes, and other related things, then company product discounts are ideal for you. One of my first "serious" jobs was managing a Lowe's Home Improvement store, and as tired as it made me, I always appreciated the products because I love to build stuff. Typical of most guys but that kind of dynamic helps a great deal in staying motivated while working for a company like this.

I truly hope you succeed Irataages, it seems like you really like the products. Also, you're in a really valuable place for a lot of the posters on this forum in that we get a first-hand account of how you felt starting up, how the process went, and how successful you are. Please let us know in as much detail as you can; how you make out. I'm sure many of us would appreciate the jumpstart in your success as an inspiration.

I'm not sure why, but after reading that directly on the site, I'm not sure I entirely understand what happened, although the announcement itself seemed unusually unprofessional in some way, sort of like if you hired a professional writer to write that presentation, it wouldn't have had that subtle touch of "drama" for lack of a better word. Maybe its just me, but somehow it seemed off, and I'm not saying I'd be qualified to write something better, it just seemed to personal and contained unnecessary details as to why the change.

I'm also prone to agree with you on this one Rick, they are probably dumping inventory at cheap prices, or maybe they actually have a chance of keeping some profitable supply going, its hard to say. I definitely agree that it is very unlikely they will be heard from much longer if at all. They are shutting down but paying the last commission checks, or at least claiming they are, which is cool. Not all business can make it, you can't knock them for trying.

Well in today's news, I bring you something none of you have ever seen before, believe me, this one I guarantee you haven't seen. What is it you ask? A new MLM company that produces health and nutrition products in addition to a business opportunity and a compensation plan designed to make you wealthy, and fit.

Sorry guys, I had to.

This was new one unleashed on all of us unsuspecting dollar monkeys by Zoe Lifestyles, a company from Warner Robins. GA. that produces anti-oxidants, pet products, house cleaners blahhh blah blahhhhhhhhh. All in very colorful, almost attractive packaging and labels. I have always thought to myself; you know, if I were ever going to buy vitamins and antioxidants, I'd want them to come from a company that also sells cleaning products.

However, you need not worry, because the company has recently split its drawers bending over to pick up a penny and is now leaving us this important announcement:

"It has been a long and bumpy ride down the highway called Zoe Lifestyle. What started out as a great concept has been high jacked by many ulterior motives from former individuals associated with the company. For those of you that have been here from the beginning, you have lived through it all, and for those who joined recently please know that the greatest of intentions have been in place since the inception.

So, what we have here is: "We failed, got your money, all bets are off, please buy the rest of our supply at dirt cheap prices while we pack up and go get fat. Have a nice day." Am I being too harsh? Of course you have to click on the right page to actually find this announcement.

Lets just ignore all the product hype, we know its all bullshit and that its a Zoegetics scam, that sort of goes without saying most of the time with these things, but how interesting is the rest of the package? The join us page is now under construction, which is where they will be creating some goofy product club for more monkeys to buy the rest of their stock, and in 6 months if they manage to sell it all, they will vanish completely.

What can I say?...a company I shrugged off as a scam a couple years ago has now made it onto my "foot in mouth" list. Good stuff. This is a good lesson to remind us that it can be a bit easy to knock a company over a few bad reps, or inconsistent stories. This is especially true in a scam section of a discussion board, since its all too easy to go on a witch hunt and indulge in the mold mind of the masses.

Way to go Ambit!

Ambit Energy is on the top 10 list this month on MLMRankings.com

Hello to allhttp://www.youtube.com/\user/Leveltwoadvertising#pu

I have been looking at Ambit Energy and what I'm finding is that it is not a scam.

I recently read an article stating that an advertising company called LEVELTWO Advertising has launched a new television campaign for this company, it is growing at a truly impressive rate. Ambit Energy had originally launched "My Lightbulb Moment" campaign in 2009 which was a means by which to reveal themselves to the people. The adds depict every day people having a "lightbulb moment," in which they realize they have saved 30% on their bill. I enjoyed the adds and found them to be clever and delivered well. It is a nice change of pace from some of the other more outlandish and silly advertising found on many television channels.

I have recently considered Ambit energy as an opportunity for myself after having learned that research findings have discovered that nearly 80 percent of consumers choose their electricity company based on price, in addition to Ambit wanting to change the industry by charging by the kilowatt. Please take a glimpse at these advertisements and see for yourself that this could very well be a great opportunity. Thank you Mr. James Yancy for visiting our thread.

Love and peace.

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Greetings and respect to you Vincent555 and Rickdowns77,

It is on so many MLM juices and tablets that I must agree are of very little promise, but on Tahitian Noni I am forced to disagree with both of you entirely. The great morinda fruit has been used for generations for over 2,000 years because of the immediately noticeable health benefits. People living in the jungles felt how wonderful it made them feel, and I am one to believe that says a great deal. Say what you wish of MLM scams, but this was one of the smartest foods that could have been used in such elixirs.

This product is the closest thing that can be attained aside from the fruit itself, and I also feel that for those that find it to be of such an offensive taste, you consider that your taste is much influenced by your culture, and that not everyone has grown to adulthood on hamburgers and orange juice. It is not from a medical perspective that I can explain to you the benefits of the great morinda fruit, but I can attest to the wonderful taste and the way it makes you feel, having had them in our home throughout my childhood.

Thank you for bringing this to light Wallace, and to you mighty Watchdog for explaining this terrible Dinartrade scam. I am deeply saddened by this behavior, like vultures to molest the dead. I have been seeing this a great deal lately with so very many people asking about where to buy, or looking for people to sell to. I must laugh to myself as I see individuals actually posting on other message boards looking for people to sell Dinar to, which means they are starting to feel the effects of the "sinking ship" as it is called?

I pray for all to be healed of the swindling ways of others, and those inside of the swindlers.