Gonna have to agree with you on this one.
Never met an MLM, not one, that lived up to it's golden carrot!!
Gonna have to agree with you on this one.
Never met an MLM, not one, that lived up to it's golden carrot!!
wow thanks for that brilliant TCA update! I see that your "chosen" company "Javita Secret Coffee" has conducted an audit of itself and declared itself not a pyramid and it even claims to have a "unilevel" comp plan 2 x 14 matrix which we really know to be a Binary (the kiss of death comp plan) and even worse its a capped matrix at 14 levels. You sure know how to choose em ace :)~
http://javitascam.weebly.com/
Wow! I knew something was wrong with this company. That's why I waited for it to launch. I'm sorry for all of you who vested so much of your time and effort into this company.
Brokelinkvaark,
So are you saying that his math isn't accurate? If not, would you be kind enough to better explain it?
And, it's okay to use a death to hype and promote?
Just to clarify Linkvaark etc is/are the upstanding experts we should be listening to? Looks like he/she better be upstanding because he/she is about to lose his/her shirt and probably furniture :)~
Linkvaark.com Sensational Scam
Posted on 2011/04/26 by URBANE BEAT
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Urbane Beat
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Hey guys, thanks for the replies and input. In regard to the math, I checked out the link and I can't really argue with it. That was well put together by the way. I think no matter how you look at it, there is a fairly thin line between a good mlm and a pyramid scheme, but a line none the less. I never researched the way The Customer Advantage worked because I spent more of my time trying to figure out what was going on in general (mostly if it was even "real"). I'm the kind of person that has had the benefit of people's trust and respect, even when it was not exactly something I deserved. I was never a con man or anything like that, but I certainly had the opportunity for a second chance, and to become a better person. Since I am grateful to the people throughout my life for doing that, I try to return the favor so to speak. Well, I tried to give John M. the benefit of the doubt, but last night the more I thought about the way in which he placed his dad's death in the place of an obstacle for his business, the more I began to wonder how sincere he was in general. None the less, you never know, his dad could have been awful to him but he is trying to show respect, we don't know. The math though; the math doesn't lie. I saw in the Customer Advantage and by default saw something I'd never get involved with, but that's because I'm not wired for most mlms at all, not because I saw a scam. Watchdog has posted some awesome threads on showing where the line is, and he has helped me tremendously in seeing the good from the bad. It may seem like I have been trying to make excuses for John, and I'm truly not. I have no particular interest in TCA one way or another, I just wanted to do what so many people have a hard time doing (myself included): opening the book before judging it. I gave it my best shot, but it just seems like I have to admit when that thick, sulphury smell is hiding a rotten egg, and I pretty much accept that its there. Whether its John himself, I have no idea, but I personally wouldn't lend him any money, and saying that with polite-less honesty, that would say alot about anyone.
I looked on your website and notice your homework / due diligence and passion to help innocent people. Now, with respect to "The Customer Advantage" MATH. I want to THANK YOU for saving me from these scam! The below link explains it all...I mean, to the DETAIL!
For those who would like to see the REAL TCA numbers, please CLICK below!!!!!
After all, I DO agree using his father death to promote this scam is just..........I have no words to describe this guy! WOW!!!!
The EMBED from your site is below too!
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Dear Mr. Linkvaark,
Well, Repspace took ALL my questions out from this site...the reason for that...? Hmmm I imagine John Milanoski complain to the owner of this site and they took all my straight / tough questions for John Milanoski. Perhaps because of my name?...anyways.............I want to THANK YOU for sharing (from your site) the real MATH of John Milanoski and "The Customer Advantage". YOU are my HERO!!!! "Hope" the owner of this site doesn't take this info (from your website, since I copy and paste the EMBED and URL) out and let ALL FOLKS SEE THE REAL NUMBERS OF TCA!!!
Wallace, if you need to answer any math questions with respect to TCA....our HERO Mr.Linkvaark did it for us, below is the info / links. Oh boy, I LOVE the way Mr. Linkvaark explain things to all of us! don't you? THANK YOU FOR SAVING MY MONEY!!!!!
http://www.slideshare.net/LinkvaarkFraudHunter/the-customer-advantage-magic-numbers-or-funny-money
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Wallace, I think you are alluding to a mental illness along the lines of Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD). Manipulativeness, self-centeredness, inability to relate to others' feelings, pretensions of world-dominating superiority and paranoid imaginings are all standard hallmarks of this disorder. It's very common (despite the APA trying to get it removed from the next edition of the DSM). I may be more sensitized to this behavior than some and more likely to call it out because I have had to deal with so much of it during my life. I was raised by one narcissist, married another (not any more) and went to work for one really full-blown case and some lesser ones.
That a man would refer to the death of his father as just one more "pile of crap" is unconscionable. The he would use the occasion of his father's demise to expound on how he intends to take over the world is madness. He doesn't mourn his father, only his own failed dreams and ambitions. If he weren't a pernicious pox upon society, I might feel sorry for him as he suffers with this particular pathology.
But to capitalize on someone's death is disgraceful. I'm sorry but I have no mercy for this person as I find his long-winded sermon beyond reproach for him as an individual and incredibly tacky timing. I wouldn't put it past him to recruit at the funeral just as they have already attempted to recruit church members and non-profits. Talk about coming full circle!!
Question for Wallace:
As you seem on the fence regarding this, have you looked at the math?
And, how do you interpret it? Do you think the numbers make sense? Do you think that the person birthing this thing would have considered the math? Do you find it odd that he never addresses it?
I'm not bashing you, I am just curious what a seemingly reasonable individual thinks about the numbers?
Wow......
Guess that counts for an update...
Well how do we go from here? It seems we have a guy who is once again; in a place of sympathy, at least in the eye of the beholder. If I can get a good idea on how a con man operates, it is based on two basic things. The ability to BS, and being a good opportunist. I still can't say where John M. falls. I would think that public records are available to somehow show that his father really died. John could very well be a really up front guy, and so I half feel bad that there has to be such potent credibility checks even in the face of lost loved ones. Its also possible that he hasn't been close to his dad in years, and is simply capitalizing on the situation in order to buy some time and sympathy. It is yet also possible that his father really didn't die, though this would be a tough one for even a moderately popular individual on the Internet to pull off.
Throughout the history of The Customer Advantage, my feelings haven't really changed very much. I continue to get the feeling that John M. isn't a con artist. Mixed up maybe, or not good at what he is trying to do, or the conductor of a symphony that is never ever going to play perhaps. Still however; I just have yet to see a clearly visible con artist. On the other hand, a good con artist is successful because that is the very vibe they are capable of harvesting. So while I realize that many of you are convinced he is pulling the wool over everyone's eyes, I am still stuck in the same spot I started in, because I just don't know what to make of the situation at all. It has now reached new heights in strangeness. I have always tried my best to truly feel for the rest of the world, and be sympathetic, as I am no stranger to tough roads; but I have also told a few lies growing up, and understand the mechanism well enough to know how powerful it can be.
One thing I have seen in my experience about any kind of manipulative person, is that they tend to be good actors, they tend to be very perceptive, analytical, and sociable. They also have emotional issues deep within that shiny crust. They are extremely verbose, in writing and in person, and tend to add far more detail than is necessary, because they can't help it. Since con artists are such sticklers for detail, and value its place in a good lie, they can't help but include an abundant amount of it in nearly any communication they have. They aren't monsters, in fact, we all have a piece of it inside of us I believe. They are sometimes the cheating husbands, boyfriends, wives, girlfriends and lawyers, but also the appraising auto mechanics, online chat partners and yes; MLM founders (that's not to say any of those entities are compulsive liars or bad people). I have noticed this verbosity with John M. but I don't think that makes him one of them, just something to look at.
For all I have seen thus far in regard to The Customer Advantage, I am not so much as a hair closer to any kind of definite opinion either way or the other. I have no idea if he is being sincere or not, but no matter what the truth, I am always sorry to hear when someone has lost a loved one, and if it is in fact the truth, I offer my condolences.
Ehh, I've just about given up on these guys, but I don't hold anything against him/them. It was an idea that crumbled, not a scam or an elaborate plan to run away with your bucks. I have a certain bit of sympathy for failed plans, and you really bever know. The guy may have had something awesome if only the "weather" was right. John M. mentioned a death in the family, and all worldly responsibilities aside, it can be real tough for some people to function as well as others when unders those kinds of conditions. Of course, he could always be lying to, but none of it matters. For whatever reason, this rocket couldn't get off the ground, and it doesn't necessarally signify anything "bad" for me, just an idea that dkidn't work out. Hopefully I'm wrong, but just incase I'm not, I hope anyone who got involed with teambuilding didn't waste too much time, money or effort.
Here is my benefit of the doubt!
"The Customer Advantage" MATH. The below link explains it all...I mean, to the DETAIL!
For those who would like to see the REAL TCA numbers, please CLICK below!!!!!
http://www.slideshare.net/LinkvaarkFraudHunter/the-customer-advantage-magic-numbers-or-funny-money?from=ss_embed You can thank Mr. Linkvaark for that!!!
After all, I DO agree using his father death to promote this scam is just..........I have no words to describe this guy! WOW!!!!
Per your request and like you said before...."Let's cut to the crux of the biscuit!!!"
"The Customer Advantage" MATH. The below link explains it all...I mean, to the DETAIL!
For those who would like to see the REAL TCA numbers, please CLICK below!!!!!
http://www.slideshare.net/LinkvaarkFraudHunter/the-customer-advantage-magic-numbers-or-funny-money?from=ss_embed You can thank Mr. Linkvaark for that!!!
After all, I DO agree using his father death to promote this scam is just..........I have no words to describe this guy! WOW!!!!
It's funny, with the exception of some of the more heated threads that involve loads of debating etc, this is one of the most active topics I've seen here lol. This really had a ton of hype, and I'm left wondering how anyone that got that much attention had so many problems getting it off the ground. I'm with the people that say this wasn't a scam. A failure sure, but I don't think John Milanoski was trying to rip anyone off. In the time I've been looking at mlms and researching companies, this has got to be one of the most insane disappointments ever. Just type in customer advantage on google and there is activity up the ying yang. At this point, I'm anxious to hear something, anything, activity of any kind from the source. John M. are you still here reading these boards? Lets cut to the crux of the biscuit and start nailing these tough questions man, what is going on?
"The Customer Advantage" MATH. The below link explains it all...I mean, to the DETAIL!
For those who would like to see the REAL TCA numbers, please CLICK below!!!!!
http://www.slideshare.net/LinkvaarkFraudHunter/the-customer-advantage-magic-numbers-or-funny-money?from=ss_embed You can thank Mr. Linkvaark for that!!!
After all, I DO agree using his father death to promote this scam is just..........I have no words to describe this guy! WOW!!!!
Wow, can't argue with that line of questioning, I wouldn't mind some answers either. At this point, I look at The Customer Advantage and I'm starting to wonder if there was any part of it at all that was real? Some type of verification besides a string of websites, and similar to the questions cruisin asked.......
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I believe his Dad died. My condolences to john and his family.
However - if my Dad just died, I certainly wouldn't be worried about business.
Thanks for the update Cruisin, as if the situation couldn't possibly get any weirder lol...I have a basic idea how you feel about TCA, but I want to ask you something specific if you don't mind, because I can't stop pondering it.
In regard to John Milanoski's father...please tell me which of the multiple choice questions is most likely true.
John Milanoski's father:
A) Didn't really die, or died years ago, and John made this up to buy more time.
B) Died, but John wasn't close to him therefore it is an easy situation to capitalize on.
C) Really did die, and John really is as upset as he appears.
D) Other.
I know there is probably no way to know for sure, but I figure that somewhere on the internet it would be easy to figure out if it really did happen or not, since records should be available via death notices etc.
Have there been any updates anywhere on the Internet about The Customer Advantage? I haven't heard anything at all and I'm starting to wonder if it has officially folded?