Hello Angel

Greenfoot Global claims this product is patented? Have you seen the patent documents? actually?

Envirotabs is a copy of our product Enviro-Tab, manufactured only in New Zealand. Not saying the product doesn't work, because we know our product does, however it is not original.

Our mission statement is 'protect the air we breathe'

philv@loweremissions.co.nz

Wow if this is true then this is bad news, but how does a person prove that this is true? I mean if I was a big company that sold this type of product I would go after the people selling this as a knockoff as it would give the real company a bad name.

Hi Chris

We here in New Zealand, at Lower Emissions Ltd, are the original manufacturers and distributors of Enviro-Tab. Enviro-Tabs, marketed in USA by Greenfoot Global, is a knock off of our product, including them having directly lifted photos and data from our website. They ignore cease and desist notices and we are not interested in taking legal action in USA.

The product we market is proven here by independent laboratories to perform as we claim.

We have no beef with MLM marketing as such, and just wanted to warn your members that this product marketed by Greenfoot Global is NOT original and we cannot comment on it's efficacy.

Well I'm a GFG rep, and I don't call the people that don't choose to join the business losers, or non-"winners."  Not everybody is interested in every opportunity that comes by them, no matter how great.  I am here to supply you guys with all the answers to your questions.  If I don't win you guys as distributors, hopefully I can as customers.  Your are all winners in my eyes!

Regards,

Angel

I can tell ya right now I am very interested in the product, alrthough I do agree that this feller does come off a bit rude and manipulative, it is the one thing that takes a great presentation and junks it for me. I like your posts Jon you seem like a genuinely neutral guy, and I generally feel ok about taking your word about Javita. Maybe JohnJoseph is a nice fella as well, but as I read I can't help but feel like there is too much of a rep and not enough human being under there. I've never gone that route to provide my products to the people I come into contact with, I presented myself as a genuine friend, that's how we do things where I'm from. Noit every product is really all that great, but some of them are phenomenal, and I make sure to say so. I would never look at someone sitting across from me and suggest that winners will try it and other people won't. Its cheap, and generally in poor taste. Its no different on a forum like this one, you are representing not only yourself, but your company. I don't know you JohnJoseph and I got no right to tell you what to do or how to do things, but you seem like a really smart feller and your product looks real impressive. I bet if you dropped the winner stuff people would feel much more genuine about your presentation, and that's the crux of the biscuit behind my own success. Even though I tailor my presentation depending on the kind of person I want to get involved, I am pretty direct, and I don't bring their self esteem into it.

I hope you experience success sir.

Lol, still going with this "winner" thing, I get a kick out of it. Sure I see a sales dynamic, but mostly I see a manipulative sales tactic. Turns me off to the product personally. Not saying you're a bad guy or anything, but not the kind of person I would want to do business with, no offense. More importantly, if this is how GFG teaches its reps to operate, I'd definitely avoid. At least make the copy/paste look like you wrote it all exclusively for us. (Shrug)

Thanks Jon. Thought of another way to try and you help you folks grow your business:

This is to help you understand how crucial it is to work you ratios; but I will explain it

from a different angle:  How would you like to have an unlimited advertising budget?

For you biz cards, fllyers, or web site or however you introduce your product:

The concept is called Life Time Profit Value (LPV).

First, develop a few concise, preferrably measurable compelling introductory statements about your product.

E.G.  "How often do you think people would use a product that saves them 2 to 5 times its cost in

fuel savings, oil changes and engine repairs?" (Or whatever is applicable to your product).

"Do you think a home business introducing that could be profitable"

Now, contact people who are likely prospects and tell them you are testing headlines for your brochure

and business cards etc and would like their opinion as to which is most intriguing.

Next, do an estimate on what the cost would be to run that advertisement statement by whatever number of people

it would take to convert one winner into your business. And do an estimate of the income one winner can cause you.

(You could ask the most successful person in your industry what those numbers are.) Let's say for example

that you find one winner per 300 people you contact; it costs you $3 each, that's $900. And you believe that one winner

will cause a volume of $2,000 per month residual income. How often will you spend that $3 x 30 times, if you knew

you would predictably yield a winner who goes out and causes $2k/mo.  That $2k/mo is your LPV (Life Time Profit Value)

and in our example, it cost $900 to garner that person/customer/distributor. This is the exact principle I used to grow my business.

If I spend $12,000 per month on television ads and yields 10 patients who give me $5,000 in business the next month, did I make money?

The answer is, it depends on the LIFE TIME PROFIT VALUE of each patient/customer/etc. If the LPV is $4,786 x 10 patients =

$47,860 that I make in a 5 year period, then I am making a fortune, (though part is deferred). The bottomline is this, if you don't know your

LPV then you are losing money because you don;t know how much MONEY to invest (not spend); so you tend to pull back and settle for poor results.

So, relating that principle to MLM:  If you knew for certain you had to talk to 300 people to find one winner who would build a $2000 residual income

per month and it would cost you $3 per person (let's say for biz cards or phone costs or whatever overhead); would you do it? Thus, spend $900 to earn $2k x 12months - $24,0000 per year?   You might say "of course".  But I am telling you from years of experience, that I have showed other real estate investors and doctors my method above and I get a blank stare (I call it the non-winner freeze). That is exactly why, you have to know your ratios, so you know how many non-winner freezes you have to go through to find the winners. And if you know your LPV then your advertising is free, which means you can contact an unlimited number of people and the law of averages will produce a winner that makes you a lot of money; and the only thing that can stop you is you. I had a real estate as that I had honed and refined over the years; it cost me $147/mo to run and produce an mean of $6,800 profit every month. Why? Answer" Because I had a well-tested compelling statement, aimed at the proper audience (in your case entrepreneurs/winners, not bench-warmers and small minds) and I new my numbers i.e.: I knew exactly what I had to spend (money & effort) to get the larger measurable result.  So put the effort and attention in to learn your ratios and your LPV and you cannot fail in any business. Read my prior posts for other ideas. I am starting to get busier than I like and may not be hear as much.

Thanks Jon. Thought of another way to try and you help you folks grow your business:

This is to help you understand how crucial it is to work you ratios; but I will explain it

from a different angle:  How would you like to have an unlimited advertising budget?

For you biz cards, fllyers, or web site or however you introduce your product:

The concept is called Life Time Profit Value (LPV).

First, develop a few concise, preferrably measurable compelling introductory statements about your product.

E.G.  "How often do you think people would use a product that saves them 2 to 5 times its cost in

fuel savings, oil changes and engine repairs?" (Or whatever is applicable to your product).

"Do you think a home business introducing that could be profitable"

Now, contact people who are likely prospects and tell them you are testing headlines for your brochure

and business cards etc and would like their opinion as to which is most intriguing.

Next, do an estimate on what the cost would be to run that advertisement statement by whatever number of people

it would take to convert one winner into your business. And do an estimate of the income one winner can cause you.

(You could ask the most successful person in your industry what those numbers are.) Let's say for example

that you find one winner per 300 people you contact; it costs you $3 each, that's $900. And you believe that one winner

will cause a volume of $2,000 per month residual income. How often will you spend that $3 x 30 times, if you knew

you would predictably yield a winner who goes out and causes $2k/mo.  That $2k/mo is your LPV (Life Time Profit Value)

and in our example, it cost $900 to garner that person/customer/distributor. This is the exact principle I used to grow my business.

If I spend $12,000 per month on television ads and yields 10 patients who give me $5,000 in business the next month, did I make money?

The answer is, it depends on the LIFE TIME PROFIT VALUE of each patient/customer/etc. If the LPV is $4,786 x 10 patients =

$47,860 that I make in a 5 year period, then I am making a fortune, (though part is deferred). The bottomline is this, if you don't know your

LPV then you are losing money because you don;t know how much MONEY to invest (not spend); so you tend to pull back and settle for poor results.

So, relating that principle to MLM:  If you knew for certain you had to talk to 300 people to find one winner who would build a $2000 residual income

per month and it would cost you $3 per person (let's say for biz cards or phone costs or whatever overhead); would you do it? Thus, spend $900 to earn $2k x 12months - $24,0000 per year?   You might say "of course".  But I am telling you from years of experience, that I have showed other real estate investors and doctors my method above and I get a blank stare (I call it the non-winner freeze). That is exactly why, you have to know your ratios, so you know how many non-winner freezes you have to go through to find the winners. And if you know your LPV then your advertising is free, which means you can contact an unlimited number of people and the law of averages will produce a winner that makes you a lot of money; and the only thing that can stop you is you. I had a real estate as that I had honed and refined over the years; it cost me $147/mo to run and produce an mean of $6,800 profit every month. Why? Answer" Because I had a well-tested compelling statement, aimed at the proper audience (in your case entrepreneurs/winners, not bench-warmers and small minds) and I new my numbers i.e.: I knew exactly what I had to spend (money & effort) to get the larger measurable result.  So put the effort and attention in to learn your ratios and your LPV and you cannot fail in any business. Read my prior posts for other ideas. I am starting to get busier than I like and may not be hear as much.

I did want to interject here, I know John on a personal level - at least in an email 'personal' level. ;)  I've never met him and have only conversed for a couple of weeks now.

He's come across like a top-notch guy, and a focused 'go getter' who will achieve whatever he sets his mind to.  I believe he will be VERY successful with the Tabs.

No animosity was intended towards him here!

lmao, yall know how to entertain!

Now I don't want to make a big deal out of this, but for the sake of accuracy, lets get through it and move on. Johnjoseph asked:

"Could you please show me the wording where I am referring to people who don't agree with me as not being winners?

Your comments do not match my post at all (and there are two that need to be read in sequence to get the full context)."

Here you go:


"you are 100% correct "they" won't.  And "they" want free samples.

(First part establishes a social differentiation using terms like "they".)

"But winners will."

(It pretty much cuts to the chase, "they" are not winners. Now if you are not a winner, what does that make you in any contest? Is there some special middle ground that no one told me about last time I lost a board game against my step sons?)

"And winners don't require free samples."

"Winners understand that risk-reward raitios."

(This is stage two that takes place after separating the herd, and it attempts to create a social hierarchy between winners, and this strange new mystery culture that has yet to reveal itself. lol)

"Focus on winners and keep moving."

(Loosely translated, forget about these losers and come make some money lol.)

I'm really not offended by the way, I just wanted to hold you accountable because I have a feeling you're going to try to say you didn't mean it that way, and I say you did, and that you should just admit it since its no big deal. I've certainly been that pompous, arrogant, and delusional more than once in my life, it doesn't make you a bad person, but it should point you toward some much needed inner growth in the area of integrity and professionalism IMO.

Phil Ratte, you've posted something without enough credible sources, which were very much like other additions as well. At the very least however, you present well with what you have access to. No one would love to see this product be legit more than myself, but Jon said it best when he addressed all of you with, "The burden of proof is on you.".

SWORN AFFIDAVIT OF PHIL RATTE


STATE OF MINNESOTA....)
.........................................) ss.
COUNTY OF ANOKA.........)
 
 
I, Phillip J. Ratte, being first duly sworn, do hereby depose and say:
 
1.  I am of legal age and make this affidavit of my personal knowledge.
 
2.  I am a retired Mechanical Engineer (BME U of MN 1961) who practiced as a
Professional Engineer in the State of Minnesota for 27 years.  I have tested over
100 fuel saving devices, magnets, and additives since 1979.  I appeared as an
expert witness on fuel saving devices in a criminal trial in Missouri in 1992.
 
3.  I personally designed and conducted or observed three studies to determine
the effect of EnviroTabs, a fuel saving OrganoMetallic Compound, on automotive
fuel economy.  The testing was conducted in August, 2011.

A. 2008 Dodge Grand Caravan - 131,000 miles , 231 mile route weekdays  -  package 
deliveries - 12 tankfuls Regular instead of Premium Gas - 9.98 gal vs 12.8 gal = 23.4% SAVED
Jack Dalsted has just gotten himself a $2,400'yr increase in income for $260/yr
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B. 2010 Chevy HHR - 40,000 miles - three tankfuls - onboard computer  -Tony Paolella
GM retiree - city driving - 29 mpg increased to 33 mpg - a 13.8% SAVINGS - more to come
 
C. 2000 Honda Accord - 267,000 miles - ScanGuage used to get mpg at 50, 60, 70 mph
70 mph - 25.7 mpg incr to 29.6 mpg=15.2%
60 mph - 28.1 mpg incr to 34.5 mpg=22.8%
50 mph - 31.0 mpg incr to 38.6 mpg=24.5% AVERAGE SAVINGS = 20,8% on 3rd tank

4. EnviroTabs - an OrganoMetallic Compound whose technology was discovered in 1951 and
won the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1973. In 2011, a patent was issued on EnviroTabs
My test results indicate that there is a substantial improvement over the 11 percent associated
with the removal of carbon from the combustion chamber. It is my Professional Opinion that this
improvement is caused by earlier initiation of the flame front and a quicker burn of the hydrocarbon
charge. Further, my exceptional test results have been equaled only twice before in the well over
100 fuel saving products I have tested since 1979.
 
I have become a distributor for Greenfoot Global because it has long been my goal to do all I
can to help our country achieve Energy Independence and Environmental Balance.


(signed) Phillip J. Ratte
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Could you please show me the wording where I am referring to people who don't aree with me as not being winners?

Your comments do not match my post at all (and there are two that need to be read in sequence to get the full context).

I don't care if you join me or my company. I care that people learn what works.  I am older now and have paid an incredible price

in 30 years of busines to learn hard lessons that I am offering here. Take or leave it.

My meaning of a "winner" is someone who expects success for themselves, makes rationale decisions based of facts

puts proper weight on those facts (minor versus major) and takes action; regardless of which MLM or conventional biz they pursue.

I clearly stated that my formula for marketing was in reference to conventional business.

I am totally lost on your comment/extrapolation.  For those of you who want to benefit from an old wise entrepreneur in conventional busines

then go back and read my posts.  I certainly don't have all the answers, but I have some irrefutable experience and success:

The bottomline is, don't try to convince anyone of anything; instead, master the law of averages until you know your conversion ratio (e.g.: talk to 300 people to find one winner; know your know your ratios; which gives your predictability for repeating the conversion; in other words, if I know I ned to get 300 calls into my medical practice to make $X, then I simply have to run enough ads that cost $x-1. Once I know my ratio, my advertising is FREE because I simply keep repeating the ads based on the ratio. For MLM:  If you need to talk to 300 people to find a winner (a marathoner, not  sprinter), and that person goes out creates a huge downline for you, well now you know your ratio so you go do it again!   Think of it this way, if you could go into the  future and look back and see that you needed to introduce your MLM oppt to 1200 people to get 1 that grew a $5,000 per week biz for you would you do it?  So, pay your dues in effort and find out what the ration is for you; don't stop until you get that ratio. Whether its MLM or conventional biz.  That ration is what makes it predictable.  A winner will do this. Winners do what non-winners won't. Again, I don't care which biz, just do it; get successful and help others with your success Isaiah 58 and watch your life become wonderful );

To recap: Learn your ratios. Pay the price in effort and CONSISTENTCY.

have a compelling opening benefit statement, run it by many, many people

(play the law of averages) and if they don't get it move on.

That worked in both my real estate career and medical businesses

and I believe it will work in every business: You are looking for people who are looking for you.

I remember years ago when I was selling big commercial buildings, shipyards, warehouses and the like in Boston, I could always tell the investors who would succeed:  They looked at many, many deals before they bought; and they had the ability to look past the small issues and see the big picture. Meanwhile, I could almost always tell who would fail, they put way too much time into scrutinizing every little detail ... of too few deals ... and picking apart and creating small-minded interpretations; sometimes they would even have a great opportunity right under their nose or, they would meet someone like me who could be huge resource of knowledge for them and yet, they were so focused on stupid picayune things they missed it all.  Winners are a rare breed. There aren't many. So you have to play the law of averages. You have to have a very compelling opening statement. And you have to have credible responses of their questions. Winners can be made too: people who are in time in their life we they are down and you come along and give them an opportunity. Isn't capitalism great.

I don't AwayWeGo.  You seem top notch.

It has been interesting reading the twists and turns of this thread.

Unfortunately I am disappointed by JohnJoseph comment about "winners".

I had found that thought process years ago when Amway was going strong and because of that I never joined them.  If you join us you are a winner, if you do not join us you are a loser. 

I hate seeing it again with a product that definitely has increased my mileage over 20%.  With a chance to get in on a ground level MLM before it explodes like Amway or Mary Kay did when it was launched.

I have found in presenting this product or a network marketing business or MLM to possible users or interested home based business searchers - that not every product is for everyone - nor is every person for every business. 

MLM or any small business is tough to start.  If the person does not join I do not think of them as winners or losers.  They can make up their own mind - it may be the wrong time, wrong product, or their search is in another area - I am just showing one of many different business's they can enter into. 

Please Jon do not put me in the category of "arrogant attitude of GFG reps". 

Unfortunately Johnjoseph has tainted his testimony by labeling others who do not agree with him. 

For me it was a good fit to become a distributor and envirotabs has been easy to sell.  There are many MLM's in the market place, I had to have one I believed in and had results which exceeded expectations because if it did not I would have been using the 100% Money Back Guarantee they offered.

I don't talk bad about other people here Jon; nor have I ever said anything negative to you.  I also would never call anyone skeptical, or questioning the legitimacy of the product I market a non - "winner."  Please excuse the last guy for he has came off quite rude.  Every time you have requested answers about GFG and EnviroTabs, I have gave you all the information you requested.  I also took into my own liberty to investigate deeper to answer everyone's skeptical questions; no question that has been asked of me went unanswered.  So I would like to conclude that I am not one of those arrogant GFG reps, nor will I ever be.

Regards,

Angel

Love it.  Reps come here, under a 'Scams' thread, and talk bad about the other people here.

Drinking the kool-aid, they scoff at people who want  proof as not 'winners'.

Hate to tell you, YOU'RE the reps and the burden of proof is on you.  The arrogant attitude of GFG reps is really a turnoff.  Luckily, since I'm going to try it and consider being a rep. to build synergistically with my FillerUP Club biz., I've found a great guy to converse with in email.

you are 100% correct "they" won't.  And "they" want free samples.

But winners will.

And winners don't require free samples.

Winners understand that risk-reward raitios.

Focus on winners and keep moving.

Please read my post again and you will see who I am talking about.

Go out and present to 300 people. And you'll see what I mean.

All the best to you.

@johnjoseph  I'm a GFG distributor as well, and I would like to tell you that you are going to need more than that to convince these people.  They won't even buy one pack of EnviroTabs to test; so the $49.95 distributor membership isn't going to interest them, and is out of the question in their book.  They don't want to lose one cent before knowing for themselves that it does all it claims to do; they want free samples.

sorry, I meant $49

Hi Travis,

It is so refreshing to experience communication from an honorable and respectful person, thank you.

I am so busy these days, I wish I had the time to walk you through step by step as to why anyone who

is looking or a business, should STRONGLY consider Envirotabs opportunity. I am not trying to garner your interest

in my downline (I will succeed no matter what); I am trying to tell you and anyone looking for a better lifestyle to

aggressively look at Envirotabs asap. Go to any any distributor by searching GreenfootGlobal.com 

Please sign up with someone and study everything.  That guy on the forum who claims to be a 27-year expert witness is for real.

A monster orgainzation, whom I cannot disclose right now (because I am signing them up) is right

now evaluating this product and is already  pre-disposed (they do several hundred million miles per year);

I am talking about an organizations that has a knowledge base about alternative vehicles, alternative fuels and

green technologies that would amaze the most sophisticated scientists. But if you are not plugged into

the Envirotabs conference calls  when we can disclose this you'll miss it. 

I've learned in general business not to spend anytime convincing anyone of anything;

instead I aim my marketing for people who are STRONGLY looking for my offer.

Law of Averages:  This has proven true in both my real estate companies and medical businesses.

When people are DESPERATELY looking for what you have, you can say everything wrong and they are

still going to buy. But you won't find them unless you are playing the law of averages.

Then what happens is you gain massive growth; and your success attracts the benchwarmers

(the people who had interest but were ambivalent). Refine a SYSTEM where you can get your

offer in the faces of at least 30 people per day and you will succeed selling any reasonable product

or service that is efficacious.

Bottomline:  For yourself or anyone you care about who wants a better lifestyle:

Go and search any Greenfoot distributor website on the internet, sign up ($9), and really study and use the product;

you are in for the amazement of a lifetime. (Based on the hours or research and testing I have done mysedlf and vicariously through

people I trust; and based on the many hours on the phone with Envirotabs' leaders;

I think this exceeds the opportunity to get in the ground floor of Coca Cola)  Best wishes.

BTW If anyone doubted that it's all about the CASH.

LifeWave's Policies:  

http://www.lifewave.com/policies.asp

"A critical requirement for CieAura Chips to be effective is proper hydration - drink water. It is especially important for athletes, in particular, to continually consume water, while wearing the Chip. The only limit to cellular communication is hydration; consequently, by increasing cellular communication in the body by drinking water increases the effect of CieAura Holographic Chips."

Take out the words CieAura Chips and insert the words "LifeWave Patches".

Yep, same advice from the company where Ken Rasner was a member of the management team up until he realized that the sociopath David Schmidt was the only one making any real money!

Check out Warren Hanchey and 8ight. Same thing. Warren also got burned as a LifeWave management team member.

Schmidt certainly started the ball rolling on a number of scams.

BTW, anybody ever feel a lot better after drinking water when you were dehydrated?

Funny that!

This, is bar none the funniest thing I have noticed for today. I noticed it before a few months ago but for some reason today it was much funnier. Its simple, its just the CiaAura main page, and they have that mystical color animation representing the uhh, magic effect of their magnetic thingies.

For once I'd say we agree 100% Wallace, I have always found it unusual when hearing about some terrible crime perpetrated by what otherwise seemed like a "normal Joe", everyone would be up and arms about how surprising it was that they did it. We're talking about pushing a cheap gimmick in this case which is a different thing altogether than some of the serial killer stuff mentioned above lol. The principal is the same though, and I agree, there really is no longer a criminal archetype for just about any immoral act. People are all different.

My son went through a phase of taking a very strong interest in alternative medicine, and I proud of the way he went about it because he didn't just buy a bunch of books on crystals, energy and spirituality. He looked to science to learn about the body's magnetic field, and there are some very subtle truths to the fact that science recognizes a basic human magnetic field, but there is no real evidence to suggest modifying in such small ways has any effect, but it also can't be proven that it doesn't.

These kinds of things have been around for a long time, and products like CieAura exist in that gray area, with freedom from any real legal consequences simply because it maintains that it is not a medicine, not a cure, and promises nothing other than a feeling of wellness. My son took the same stance that I do, and that is that we live in a day and age where we simply don't know enough one way or the other to make any valid claims at all. In this particular case, I call bull$hit, but I won't condemn the concept itself, not yet anyway. The world and our understanding of it changes all the time, and you never know what the future of science will bring.