The FBI and the Justice Department are actually quite smart.  The Federal Court's ruling in favor of the FTC against Burnlounge, Arnold, Taylor and DeBoer ("ATD," aka the "Three Stooges")now sets up a strong case where the Justice Department will be able to charge Arnold, Taylor and DeBoer with conspiracy, mail fraud, violations of interstate banking laws, and RICO violations.  Instead of settling with the FTC earlier and waiting for Judge Wu to decide on the case, the Three Stooges have set themselves up perfectly for an easy prosecutorial conviction. 

The $16 million+ is only the beginning of Alex Arnold's legal troubles.  He now faces the probability of Federal criminal charges which will not only further bankrupt him (legal fees), but similar to how death is inevitable with terminal cancer, Alex Arnold would be sure to be convicted and have to spend time in prison.

As he tries to cover his financial tracks with this CieAura scam, it will only make his situation worse.  By trying to hide his involvement, he leaves himself open to forensic accounting experts who will unravel his deceptive financial involvement. 

Sadly, it was obvious from the get-go that Burnlounge was not a legitimate business opportunity, and once the FTC got wind of it, Arnold and his cronies should have immediately admitted wrong-doing, shut the thing down, paid restitution.  He would have probably had been slapped with a heavy fine and some period of time where he was restricted from engaging in the mlm industry.  Now, it will only be a matter of time before Federal indictments will be coming down. 

Judge Wu's verdict also puts all mlm companies on notice.  The whole concept of retailing will now have to be clearly defined (which is good) and more companies will now be scrutinized by FTC.

The FTC may move slowly sometimes, but when they move, they gather their facts and move decisively, and the results are harsh and the penalties stick.

Did Alex Arnold ever pay the 16 million?

I always wonder when I see repeat deals like this, if the FTC is aware that a prior defendant in an action is running a new business. Particularly one as questionable as the magical CieAura products.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/59991244/FTC-v-Burnlounge-Final-Decision

Alex Arnold, the person who owns and runs CieAura, was found to be held liable for over $16 million dollars by the FTC. 

JT Taylor, Alex's lead distributor in CieAura, was found to be held liable for over $600,000 by the FTC.

Watch for Federal Indictments from  the Justice Department for a whole litany of alleged crimes, including but not limited to: conspiracy to defraud consumers, mail fraud, violation of interstate banking laws, and maybe a RICO charge to come next. 

This whole Cieaura business was set up for these guys to funnel money offshore so that move abroad before they get arrested by the FBI. 

i will post a longer message when i get home (on phone now) anyway i dontcheck the oil enough and well i was 2 quarts low.  we are working on fixing that problem now, but we are in the finding out how bad it isstage. 

Maybe if we could all get some free samples to try, we could change our tune and skepticism and become advocates for the product (assuming it works!)?

JP

[quote user="Away WeGo"]

I am amazed how so many people write comments before you even know what they are talking about.

Ignorance is not acceptable!

I have read many comments on different sites, and although some are skeptical, they seem to change their tune once they actually try the product.

I try to reserve my criticism for the questionable companies and products, not the forum posters, but....

Away WeGo - Seriously? Are you drinking the kool-aid? All of these fuel additive companies have failed. What is unique about EnviroTabs that you think makes them any different?

I agree with you 100% on your quote "Ignorance is not acceptable!" - yet your post is the epitome of ignorance. You clearly haven't researched this company, or their product, or their product claims, you simply say "people change their tune once they try the product".

You just jumped into one of the biggest parades of lemmings on the planet - those who blindly pitched these fuel additive deals that promised a variety of fuel mileage benefits, and all have disappeared into oblivion.

Check the track record here on Repspace for picking the winners and losers. Very few forum posters ever come back after their company folds to say "Oh, gee, you were right. Shoulda listened. Woulda saved some bucks and some self respect."

Beth, out of sheer humor (though it isn't funny that your car died, I hope you were able to replace it without much turmoil) Is it possible that your car died because of the additive? lol... I'm mostly joking, but I had read this line:

"My Lumina died on me which is what I have been using my product in"

At first It was a little silly poke in my head, but then I couldn't help but wonder...what exactly went wrong with it anyway? In any event, thank you for providing those charts, I can see you went through a pretty good amount of trouble to do it as best you could. I think this is in fact the kind of test that can only yield truly accurate results when done under perfect conditions, which most of us average people middle-low class folks just don't have the funding for. I think you did a magnificent job with what you had though. I imagine an 18 wheeler most definitely has a different life than the average vehicle, but I would have thought that would be an ideal vehicle and an ideal driver to tell you if the stuff works or not. Anyway, excellent post, Ill be going over your charts a bit more thoroughly to give them the attention they deserve.

Sorry I haven't replied back yet. I have been working on buying a house & have had some family issues, Anyway I have used other products in the past, but never did I keep records like I did this time so I would have to get new data. I will be getting me a car after I get into my house & get things settled (My Lumina died on me which is what I have been using my product in) Anyway when I get into my new car I have thought about using like STP  or some other brand of treatment & get like a months worth of before during & after & then do the same with my fuel treatment. That way I will have comparable numbers & they will be with the same driver & the same car. That seems to be what alot of people are asking for anyway.

See I have a husband that don't believe in any of this stuff either & to tell you the truth he still has not given it a 100% rating as it has worked on my car, but didn't do the best on his 18 wheeler. Now in his truck there was so much going on that it was almost impossible to get a good run with the product. He had winds of 30 to 50 mph & driving over rolling hills. The first time we used it on his truck it was only for a week & it was perfect weather & we got good results, but this last time it was well windy & he was driving in the hills of Texas & had bad storms & still even with all of that we got a 3% increase, but being the man that he is he will not give it a 100% rating. But on the other hand he has let me use it in his precious pick up truck!!!! LOL

Here are my early trips when I first started using the treatment & also again like 8 months later.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlMSeZRMCNWHdERRbG9JZ1VxdTNqSUtXcXk3VXVlcHc&hl=en_US

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlMSeZRMCNWHdFV2QUFGWlo4V21wVlJiVFdONHpnckE&hl=en_US

Good idea, Avalon, I think a comparison would be perfect. Not easy to do unless you have two of the same car though, in fact there are even more variables than that, so I don't think it could be done unless you took two brand new cars off the assembly line and did a 1 year study, and thats only something a company would do. Of course if it can be backed with (credible) scientific evidence, I'd be more than happy to give props where props are due.

Hi everyone, if you don't mind my butting in, I would like to see the comparison. I don't think it will go over well if the comparison is made as a testimonial though, I would like to see actual comparisons to brand names with a few numbers. Beth seems like a solid poster, if they are your own comparisons I'm willing to take it at face value, but ultimately I would need some empirical facts before I were to invest any money in a company like Enviro Tabs. My ex husband had an old 78 Chevelle that he fixed up, it must have taken him a good 10 years since the time we got married until about year before our divorce. I remember him being absolutely infatuated with it, especially the engine. Now he was no mechanic, he could weld, hammer out dents, he was even pretty handy with replacing doors, windows, and dashboard fans but he had his brother help him with the engine. After awhile when the car was done, he still had that need to keep working on it and adding stuff. So when he ran out of modifications he started trying to get the most expensive of everything he could. We are talking break lines, spark plugs, a modified gas tank and finally he started with all of these miracle compounds. I'm no mechanic, so I can't remember exactly what it was, but when he started using fuel cleaners, mileage enhancers and all this other fancy stuff the engine started acting badly. Eventually it wouldn't start and would give off weird smells every time he tried! He always swore that it was the additives, and now I'm too afraid to trust things like this, but with the price of gas these days, I'm desperately searching for something.....

Thank you for the comment that you made about me, I do try to stay neutral. Yeah I can say that I agree with you on the vitamin thought. As I have chose my "vitamin" because of what I have read about it & have learned about it from use there is also another reason why I chose to go with this "vitamin" over let's say one you can get from the store like STP. Stp does not have a comp plan attached & I have tried STP & it has never worked, So why would I go any other way?

I feel this to be true with anyone that has tried Envirotabs & the same is true with who has tried mine.

As for the performance comparison I have some documents that I can present, but it seems that everyone takes them as biased, but hey maybe I will make a post on here & put what I can up & see where it goes...

Sup Beth, I've seen you post a couple times before and I appreciate your neutrality. I think these products remind me of a few supplements throughout the years. You would be able to find a standard multivitamin, then another company would offer one with say, Beta Carotene in it, and get a dollar or two more. Then another company would release the same thing, only they would add antioxidants leading to yet another dollar or two on the price, then finally yet another would add something else. All in all, the argument to say that the product is improved is there, but the bulk of the product's effectiveness is still in the heavy amounts of Vitamins A, B, C etc. Nothing wrong with fuel i njection cleaners, but acting as if these compounds are something new or revolutionary is kind of silly. The engine hasn't changed very much in function over the last 30 years, therefore our fuels haven't changed very much either, and the treatments we have created to help us maintain them are also relatively simple. If Enviortabs, or the brand you use does a good job and you notice a difference, I see no reason to pick on them especially coming from someone that hasn't used them. At the same time, I am not impressed with the idea that Envirotabs is really a multi-vitamin with beta- carotine added, and there are many sources on the net from qualified people that say there is nothing really new about it aside from the label. So in a way I can understand everyone's side to this, but in the end, I don't see a reason to switch to this one when the others are basically the same. Maybe what we need is a performance comparison from an unbiased, scientific source, that would make an awesome post to discuss too.

Best regards everyone.

Well I do use another companies fuel product & while I can not speak for the Envirotabs personally I can say that I have heard others say good & bad about it. It's the same for the product that I use.

Personal use has proven to me that these types of products work with time. I have had people tell me it works right away & then I have had some take months of treatments.

I read the last post on here talking about these products being nothing more than fuel injector cleaners, well yes they are just that & more. A fuel injector cleaner may not work alone, but what happens when you mix in other products? Does it clean all of the parts & keep them clean longer? That is the premise of what I have learned of these fuel products.

It has worked for me (well the product I use) I would never say something doesn't work without at least trying. If I don't want to try it I leave my comments to myself.

Kind of a trite and substance-less response don't you think? Be specific, why not explain exactly what part is incorrect, or what area of our opinions is so ignorant and worthy of your apparent dismay. The effect it has is irrelevant once multiple automotive experts explain to us laymans that it is little more than a fuel injection cleaner. Very unprofessional as an obviously involved individual to simply flame the board instead of backing your product and pointing out the specific areas you deem incorrect and correcting them. Don't you think?

Too bad you judge before you either try the product or find out what makes this different from other products.

I am amazed how so many people write comments before you even know what they are talking about.

Ignorance is not acceptable!

I have read many comments on different sites, and although some are skeptical, they seem to change their tune once they actually try the product.

What was criticisim turns into endorsment.

Maybe before you voice your opinion first check it out. 

Make sure what you say is factual, not just meaningless gibberish.

Watchdog,  Your understanding of the patent process appears to be slim to say the least. The process can take two years or more from the time the patent is applied for to the time of issue. BUT to use the expression Patent Pending is permitted ONLY so long as a patent application has actually been filed or a fine up to FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS may be imposed for EACH offense, EACH mismarked article constitues an offense. Do You think that the investment banker's and other investor's would give out any information on the technology so others may copy it let alone use Patent Pending on -Prime bracelets with out a utility patent pending actually being issued?

I have a friend whose 19 year old son got one of those "Wands" that are said to contain the micro elements, metals, stones, crystals and other strange things. He paid around $120  for it and has since seemed a bit quiet and semi-disappointed at least on the outside. I'm really not into this kind of new age thing, and I am fairly solid fan of medical science. If we were as sensitive to energy as many of these companies would have us believe, then I think we might all go completely insane and jump off rooftops every time the sun had a ray burst or whatever you call them. The universe is pulling on us all time in much heavier ways than a basic magnetic field! So I'm skeptical about it, but kind of like you Travis, I try to keep my skepticism in check as well, because you just never know what the next breakthrough is going to be, and no one wants to be like the people that laughed the world being round. At the very least, I would try it most definitely, but I wouldn't pay for it until I saw that it worked. :)

I have heard about a product that sounds like this, but I can't remember the name of it right off hand. I go to a church & there is a rep there & he uses this & so does many more people. They all have several different types of pains & everyone has said that it has helped their pain to some level. I am not saying that these things work as I have not used them, but it does make me want to try it out & see what it does do. I am working on a product trade so that I am not out of money as I have a autoship to keep up with anyway.

I would love to hear more about this.

lol, well all joking aside, its very possible that the product could work. I didn't say likely, but possible. Science and medicine changes all the time, and 50 years ago if you had talked about something like the Hadron Collider you'd have been laughed out of your 9-5. Now keep in mind that in this post I'm not endorsing EFX, because it is [likely] to be BS, but its not definite. I've always been fascinated with energy and physics, and we do have magnetic fields, that is scientific fact, and we are effected by them, but its not known to what degree. It could very well be that understanding energy and how it functions in our bodies could lead to longer life spans, super immunities, faster healing and even bigger bodies, as science "fictiony" as it all sounds. I personally wouldn't shell out the dollars for this product, but I wouldn't dismiss this particular area of study either.

Are you implying that if the dog knew he was wearing an EFX Power Balance wristband that he would have demonstrated a placebo effect? Therefore, since he didn't know, and showed signs of improvement, that it appears to be proof of it's effectiveness lol? I think a dog barely understands the function of a collar, he's certainly used to it, but I'm almost certain that mechanically they don't get the gist of it......None the less, I love dogs and I'm happy that he is doing so well whether its the EFX Power Balance Band or not. I sort of just, wanted you to get to the core of your reasoning and kind of glance at it a little, that's all :P.

We have bought one for our dog, which he does not know what it is or wearing.  He suffer from stiffness for years after his leg was broken and the metal plate was not removed. The cold weather effect his leg so he suffer even more.  The day we put the EFX USA Power balance for pets on our dog, he started to move around with a sense of youthfullyness of a younger dog. He start getting up and down off the couch which he has not done in a years. We were very surprised because a dog would not be able to tell what they are wearing. If it is a mind game then EFX must be a dog whisper.  I found our dog still moving around very well after 90 days and counting. Our friends have notice the same thing, and are very surprised of his health. Scan maybe, but it works on our dog!

Wow, quite a list.......I didn't realize he was involved with that many ventures, and failed ones at that....

My original post about all the train wrecks Mark Guest has been associated with:

[quote user="Andrew"]

Mark Guest, with a track record a mile long, is back at it again.

Amazing how a string of failures becomes a 20 year track record of working 'alongside some of the industry's most successful firms".

TravelMax - FAILED

Secure America - CLOSED

1 Network - FAILED

The Benefits Network - FAILED

Travel Legacy / CEO - FAILED

XPI - FAILED

GlobalFX Network - FAILED

Quantum Wellness

Universal Lifestyles - FAILED

Kaspar LTD - FAILED

IamVoip - FAILED

From the KachingKaching page:

Mark Guest, Executive Vice President / Business Development
Mr. Guest offers 20 years of experience in the direct sales industry, including positions as an Independent Representative, Consultant and Executive within the network marketing landscape. Mr. Guest co-Founded the highly successful TravelMax International, as the MLM industry was shifting to a more Internet based business model. He has consulted and worked alongside some of the industry's most successful firms and individual business builders in nearly every capacity to create successful support systems, communications methods, and teach day to day protocol for Independent Representatives. Mr. Guest will be representing KACHING KACHING as the liaison between the company and our ever growing independent store owners.

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Add Kaching Kaching to the list.

Kaching Kaching's page now goes to "AdJuice" and Mark Guest's name is no longer visible in the management team info, but his sister is:

Melody Guest, Director / ISO Technology
Ms. Guest brings over 11 years experience managing high profile projects with leading technology companies like Siemens IT Solutions and Services, Inc. She has been consistently recognized for her outstanding performance and achievements in her operational role within such diverse organizations as Washington Mutual Bank. Ms. Guest's history of skillfully managing multiple projects while meeting tight deadlines and producing high-quality results in a fast-paced environment as well as her knowledge of creative and production processes for a variety of media makes her uniquely qualified to manage AdJuice's relationships with external marketing/creative agencies, vendors, freelancers, and IT back office platforms. Her strong interpersonal and communications skills are essential in leading the team to deliver consistently integrated brand messaging to the AdJuice community.  ( AdJuice Management Page )

I tried to call the company but it just goes to voicemail.

Would be very interested in an AdJuice Review. It looks like a Groupon knock off.

Did Kaching Kaching close or just change names and develop a new marketing channel? Is Mark Guest still employed there?

Katiekatie22, I have to respectfully disagree with you. While I have no intentions of starting any kind of debate, Kangen water itself is actually some really good stuff, and the filtration they are using is definitely not like that of a Brita. You may be right that Enagic is out to make some money, and their prices are high, but there is nothing in Evolv that can touch the water these purifiers put out, and you can forget about all the electro stuff, doesn't matter if its real or not, the filters alone are by far the best. Japan jumped ahead of the west on that because water has always played a super important role in Japanese culture and they have emphasized on appreciating its purity for longer and to a stronger extent than we have, therefore their equipment it a bit more, "hardcore". Anything Evolv has managed to come up with (if it there is anything to the "Archaea Active" thing in regard to truth) Japan has already researched it thoroughly, I assure you.  Mind you, I'm not here promoting Kangen water or Enagic, but if you're going to tell me Evolv can hold a candle to anything even similar to Kangen water, I'll tell you you're wrong.

Kangen water IS a scam, and your figures on how many Japanese homes use those devices is completely unrealistic and has no real basis. I'm like totally thinking you are a Kangen rep by the way. How many ways do you seriously think you can purify water anyway? There ARE by far, better forms of water you could be drinking, with Evolv at the top. The Enagic Corporation trademarked the term "Kangen Water", and its only a marketing phrase. All their machines do is hit water with electrolysis just before filtering it with the same technology as a Brita. There is no magic, and they are totally taking advantage of you for the money they want for it. This is the kind of company that makes companies like Evolv look bad, since they keep a low profile in order to avoid their claims being pitted up against the FTC hah! They just arm their sales force with good 1 liners and fake science with equally bad literature.

Why anyone would do this is beyond me when you can simply get involved with Evolv. Myself and many others in my life have been drinking and selling Evolv for quite awhile and you won't find healthier, more energized people.

Evolv guarantees your money back if you aren't happy after 90 days. Don't you think that indicates how serious these peoples are? Evolv has a fabulous track record and we're super popular. You can check us out on the Internet and see for yourself. No one with any common sense would pay $4000 for a machine that electrocutes water before filtering it, that's crazy! Evolv will send you a case of already bottled life changing water that is already processed and ready to drink, with archaea active formula. It will help you use oxygen much more effectively, which is much more than Kangen craziness can offer.

I'm only here because I really care about people getting duped, ripped off and tricked. There is no need for anyone to lose their hard earned money on scams and pyramid schemes. Invest in something already established, and worthwhile.