Hey Doc,

To put it into perspective, Beezid basically is Dubli, only more of an obvious scam in my opinion. I really went out of my way to find people with good things to say about Beezid and I came up flat, finding only those biased "join us" reviews that aren't really reviews but testimonials disguised as reviews. I hate to be Mr. negative on this one, but I really can't seem to find many nice things at all when it comes to Penny Auctions in general. Though in Beezid's case its a bit worse, because the more I read the more I realize it seems like a giant empty auction with bots attempting to outbid the consumer while the owneer collects the subscription bid points. Kind of ingeniously simple really. In Dubli's case, they are just another visual feed of Bigbrandmall.com. Also if I'm not mistaken Dubli is still operating but has been shut down in a few places. Dubli is better at the scam, but Beezid is basically the same thing in an inferior package.

Is Beezid an MLM company or company trying to take the Dubli model? I remember several companies all popping up just prior to DuBli that were doing these funky penny auctions. One was literally run out of an apartment in Huntington Beach - the premise was the lowest not matched bid would win the prize.

So the way it worked was, lets say there was an iPod "Auction" - auction probably isn't the right word, because auction seems to imply its going to the highest bidder. Maybe 'pseudo-auction" or "faux-auction", anyway, I digress.

Let's say the item up for "auction" was an iPod. People would use credits ( paid credits of course ) to enter bids. Of course, someone's going to bid on 1 cent and 2 cents and so on, so the goal was to be the lowest unique bidder. If you thought 17 cents was going to be the lowest unique bid, and multiple people had bid on 1 cent through 16 cents, and of course random bidders throughout the spectrum over 17 cents, then you would win.

My problem with the whole thing was how easy it would be for the company to scam everyone. As in the owner calling his friends and saying "Hey, buddy, I can see into the database...bid $1.17 on this plasma TV and then I'll just kick you 100.00 when you win,", or, "when you win that plasman TV we're going to sell it on Ebay and split the money"...

That business is long gone now, but is this the same premise as Beezid?

Maybe Beezid is a bigger company and the owner isn't calling his buddies, but If Beezid is actually using bots to counter paid bids, then Beezid is most definitely a scam.

Wow, these things seem to be popping up at a dime a dozen. I don't know how many of ya are familiar with Penny auctions, but a penny auction is a place where theoretically, you can get very expensive items for a fraction of the retail price, although it is seldom as simple or as penny-ish as commonly believed. I read Wallace's post on Quidbids and started doing a little investigating of my own on penny auctions, and at first, I wasn't sure I understood them, but then I began to realize how they operate, which is more or less all the same, with subtle differences based on the company. The one I'm focusing on today is called Beezid.com. The first thing I noticed about all the reviews I could find, was that they were all negative. Now being that I have been trying really hard to be more neutral and fair when it comes to these things, I wanted to be much more open-minded and dismiss the complaints as the usual negative percentage. This was hard however, because the complaints I have found seem really legit, so much so that I am a bit leery of penny auctions in general, but lets get into some details.

Beezid has a doom prophet that seems to follow its Internet chatter. By that I mean a reoccurring complaint from various people that they feel as though they are bidding against bots. See with a penny auction, you are hoping to land that fancy item you want for pennies, the problem is that it will cost you a dollar every time you bid, so if you try really hard to get that old copy of Cowboy Beebop on VHS for 99 cents, you have to pay a dollar to outbid the next guy every time he bids a cent over yours. You can imagine the costly struggles that soon ensue. Another popular complaint is that people visibly won the auction, but no product is ever actually received.

Put simply, Beezid works by selling the actual bids, unlike EBAY, where the bidding is basically free while EBAY gets a cut of the transaction. They even sell bids in packages, so you can buy a pack of say 20 bids at a set price....sort of takes the "penny" out of the auction don't ya think? I actually read a blog about a woman who's husband is so addicted to Beezid that they actually place little wagers on chores as to what username will win the auction. The toughest challenge I see when it comes to this kind of thing is that its hard to find someone that you're certain isn't a bot, or a Beezid representative. That makes it hard to find anyone who has actually received their winning bid product and get an honest opinion. I did find a letter on the Internet that a woman wrote expressing her intense frustration with Beezid in regard to being sent countless automated Responses to her issue. In her letter, she described how she had officially won a bid on two items, with the confirmation telling her "ENDED" in addition to giving her item confirmation numbers. Moments later, the bid counter restarted, essentially restarting the bidding. Obviously, this is a problem. What it amounts to is that she was now charged on all of those bids she placed, and never won the items, even though technically she did. In an environment like that, who can police and prevent a company from simply having bots outbid the customers until they have extracted enough....pennies...

Beezid as it is now doesn't seem like a viable company to get involved with, and due to a major shortage of positive feedback, I have no choice but to place this in the scam section. The golden lesson here is that it is a rare occurrence to truly receive something awesome for free or close to it, and the old saying, you don't get something for nothing really does ring true. We are often promised that we may receive "deals" etc, but generally, there is always a string attached, and you are better off knowing what the string is, like on Ebay. You may not get the super discount you were looking for, but you can at least trust in the system to do what it says it will do.

Damn, did Watchdog call it or did Watchdog call it? There is no POSSIBLE way this was a mistake, I could understand if there was some type of contamination, or too much of a certain (listed) ingredient, but this is a special boner formula, and it is obviously is intentional. Now comes the part where we expect some kind of serious consequence, but you know what? I've lost faith. I have lost complete and total faith in any kind of accountability. There will be some fine, and they will pay it, and it will be over. Then, Regeniagra will just lay low for awhile and it will al be forgotten about. They will remain in business and people that never heard of them or their Viagra scam will all flock to the herder and collect their product. Call me cynical, but no one ever gets in trouble in the business world anymore, lawyers come and sugar coat just about every aspect until its no longer offensive to the judge, the jury or the media. Of course since there are no real victims here aside from the anonymous near stroke victims that almost died with hard-ons. Does anyone know if anyone else came forward with a lawsuit or a case against Regenerect?

Hey there James,

The consequences of the Regeneca recall may not be over yet.

Regeneca's repeated claims that the product was all natural will probably still come back to bite them in the behind. I spoke at length last week to a guy who has done a considerable amount of product development for companies - consumable products in particular like vitamins and supplements.

Companies are expected to keep lot samples on hand and there should be a paper trail of who formulated and manufactured the lots.

If someone in the FTC or the Attorney General's office in California decides they think Regeneca knew all along that their product contained an illegal prescription ingredient ( or to be more specific a drug so closely related to the drug family in Viagra as to be barely discernable ) they would most likely be the ones to take the actual legal action after the Regeneca recall.

I'm not sure if the FDA does anything other than test and issue warnings and results, I've never looked to see if they have an enforcement division or if that gets passed along to other agencies.

Other possible outcomes of the Regenerect recall:

Refunds: Those tablets aren't cheap. I'm interested in hearing from people who have tried to return product, to see how quickly refunds are expedited. When a company pays out a significant amount in commissions, cash resources for refunds may be limited.

Public Company: As far as I know, Regeneca will need to publish the info about the recall in their quarterly report. Regeneca trades as "Ethos Environmental - another failed MLM fuel additive deal ) . Probably not going to get a lot of buyers interested with that information hanging out there.

Stock is currently trading at about 3 cents a share. Volume - 64,050 shares. That means only about $2000 dollars in stock has traded hands today so far. Not a big market to begin with.

Anyway, I'm very interested to see how this all shakes out.

Hi James, and welcome back to Repspace. I have alot of respect for you that you came back here, because you really stood behind this product and defended it even with my occassionally less than mature posts. Even recently, I really wasn't very kind, and I apologise for that. It seems lately that a certain degree of professionalism has eluded me and I am going to work on that. In regard to Regenerect, I'm sorry that you were duped as a representative, and in such a way that there really was no way to avoid it, since they simply lied and covered up information that you and countless others simply had no access to.

I'm guessing that finding some way to get the company to refund everyone's money is simply impossible. I wonder what will happen to the company now, and if they will still attempt to maintain some type of mlm business..hmm, lots to ponder..Anyway, what will you do now James, are you going to break into a new MLM and start from scratch? Hopefully you'll be able to get some type of compensation for any product you have left or have purchased. Lets us know, and keep posting!

http://www.fda.gov/Safety/MedWatch/SafetyInformation/SafetyAlertsforHumanMedicalProducts/ucm253416.htm

Wallace, I read your post a few days ago and have been trying to reset my repsace password so I could post here to tell you about the recall.  I finally got it reset this morning.  

WOW!   How can a company sell DRUGS and claim its ALL NATURAL and the people behind the curtain hardly get a slap on the hand?   Shouldn't there be some more serious consequences besides a voluntary recall? 

I took this product, it worked (for obvious reasons) and everyone in the company swore it was ALL NATURAL.  So I promoted this product, and told people that it was a safe DRUG FREE blend (as I was told).  Luckily nobody that I know was hurt, but someone could have been seriously hurt. 

I also invested quite a bit of time and money to become an IBO on the false foundation that Regenerect was an herbal remedy for ED.  What is my recourse?  

Thank you to forum poster fda for leading me to this story.

For any longtime forum lurkers, some of you may recall a long thread discussing Regenerect, the ingredients, price, and a few shootouts in regard to it being a scam, and more importantly; whether or not forum poster Watchdog was right about Regenerect's web site displaying an intentional spelling error. To explain more clearly, I'm including a copy/paste of Watchdog's original post:

("Interesting.

Sildenafil is the active ingredient in Viagra and Revatio

Tadalifil is the active ingredient in Cialis and Adcirca

Rardenafil is a made up word that exists nowhere on the Internet except on the Regeneca, Regenerect and RejoissNow ( apparently a division of Regeneca ) websites. Typo?

"Vardenifil" is the active ingredient in Levitra and Staxyn, the third leg of the erectile dysfunction medication tripod ( pun intended ).

Maybe someone can let them know about this typo, and ask specifically if Regenerect was tested for "Vardenafil" not "Rardenafil", unless Rardenafil is the new chemical name for powdered Rhino horn.") -Watchdog

For anyone still not clear on it, the Regenerect web site deliberately mistyped a word in order to avoid listing a complete description of the ingredients. Well that mistyped, misrepresented, and made up ingredient was basically a mask for the drug sulfoaildenafil, which is effective in combating erectile dysfunction, while also effective in causing heart attacks and strokes in people that aren't physiologically receptive to it. In short, Regeneca knowingly sold a product that was potentially fatal for some people, and they presented their product as if it were made from all natural ingredients. Its one thing to tell a lie, but its another to endanger the lives of people you're attempting to sell a product to. I personally would not give this company a penny, not now, and not ever. Now my opinion is that the company had intended to load all of its free samples up with sulfoaildenafil, just enough to get them circulated and get their name out there, then they were probably going to pull it eventually once enough people created a demand, I would be surprised if they intended on doing this forever, because it would be foolish to think they would get away with it forever.

The company conducting the recall is Ethos Environmental, and the original tests on Regenerect's products were performed by the FDA, and confirmed to contain Sulfoaildenafil, which is more or less a simplified version of Sildenafil, an ingredient that the company said was not present in its products. It goes without saying that Sildenafil could never be sold over the counter because it is a controlled substance. So not only has this company lied to the customers hence risking their lives, but they also broke the law. I can't stress enough the significance of that, and what this means for a company's image, though I am absolutely dying to know what their public response was, is or will be. I am still researching this as I write. The following snippet is from the FDA on why the drug is dangerous.
 
-According to the FDA, use of these products may pose a threat to consumers because the analogue may interact with nitrates found in some prescription drugs (such as nitroglycerin) and may lower blood pressure to dangerous levels. FDA has advised that consumers with diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, or heart disease often take nitrates. Further, ED is a common problem in men with these conditions, and consumers may seek these types of products to enhance sexual performance.-
 
And there you have it.

lmao Amen.

Water molecule...H2O. Two hydrogen, one oxygen. How exactly are the molecules "rearranged". Is it now oxygen to the left, hydrogen to the right? They do a little square dance with the NaCL molecule? ( NaCL - Sodium Chloride ). Our body makes these molecules? Really? What class in pre-med taught you that? Holodeck Medicine 101?

By the way Captain Pre-Med, "ligitamate" is not a word. It's "legitimate" Maybe stick with just the common slang abbreviation "legit".

As in, "My Asea super redox signaling atomic physicist powered salt water is totally legit. It has magic water skillz. Yo. Check it."

Not a scam my sophomoric friend (RICKDOWNS77).   I studied redox signaling in Pre-med school.  It is ligitamate and yes you have to re-arranged atoms from sodium chloride to create a different molecule.  Our body makes these molecules, but when I was learning about the molecules it was thought impossible to sustain them out of the body.  Hence not salt water because it is sustainable, but I digress i've asked a physiologist that I know from school about this and he was skeptical at first not because of the redox molecule but because it cannot be sustained out of the body.  Well that is what the atomic physicist did.  First for 20 min and then for 18 months.  I asked him to research it further and he agrees that if they have really sustained it is a breakthrough. 

 This is a legitamate product and no it is not salt water in it's current form.  There is plenty of pre asea research in the boston medical journal on redox signaling and Asea is getting more and more publications in medical journals.  Those I know involved in asea and those that subscribe to the science saturday's get all the science they can handle including the actual molecule make up. 

 The problem with a sophisticated  product of science, that is easily understood if you read the science, is that when it is given to the public to sell like this it lends to people like you who don't take the time to actually learn the science and call a great breakthrough salt water.  Again yes it is derived from salt water but when you rearrange the atoms it becomes a different molecule and that is what asea has done.  I have not started to sell it for this reason because I don't want to have to keep explaining the science to people like you who make strong statments based on ignorance,  but I am certainly excited it is out there and that they figured out how to stablize it. 

So, I recently came upon yet another up and coming mlm company who call themselves Quibids.com, and oddly enough, they are considerably the mlm company of its kind. Quibids.com is actually a penny auction web site coming out of Oklahoma City, OK

You would think, considering that they are really just Dubli in a different package that they would be more popular, but oddly enough, there hasn't been much buzz; at least in my neck of the woods. Auction site mlms aren't exactly something new, in fact, they are sort of the 3rd and 4th generation eBay's, although typically promising their goods; especially large, high end expensive items at really low prices. To give an example of how this kind of thing works, lets say you want a Sony Playstation 3, it retails for about $249.99, but you see a winning bid on Quibids for $19.99. Unbelievable discount right? Well its a bit misleading..What actually happens is, you are only able to bid a single penny at a time during the auction, and with Quibids, every single cent you apply will cost you 60 cents. Sound weird, and don't completely understand? Well don't worry, I don't either. While it is true, that you can essentially win the item for a cheaper price than what you would pay in a mainstream store, the discount won't even remotely resemble the winning bid you see on the auction.

I wouldn't say that Quibids is a scam though, its just another form of marketing fluff packaged to look a little, or alot better than it really is. Also similar to Dubli; no matter what happens, auction sites like Quibids require you to pay for the option to bid, but not in increments that are right for you. The effect is; the price is forced up, and Quibids makes a profit regardless. Another drawback is that unlike eBay, there is no exchange monitor, no 3rd party to oversee the deal, Quibids is the seller and the auctioneer, and no matter how the deal goes down, it will work out beautifully, for them. Much like eBay, you're offered a “By It Now” option, which allows you to take the total amount of your failed bids and apply them toward the retail price of the item you were bidding on. I'm afraid based on my research alone, I really don't entirely understand the processes, but I am left with the impression that it is probably more complex than it should be. That could be because they themselves don't have solid systems worked out yet, or it could even mean that they just don't offer a stable enough auctioning environment to truly be live and compete, but you will find many mixed reviews, full of both praise and damnation.

I think the best thing to do when considering getting involved with an autcion site is to do as much research as possible, especially if your money is involved. One basic Google search brings up a whole lot of "scam" in the results, and if that many people ar enetering in the term, and aren't sure, that pretty much would be enough to stop me from applying any dollars. Its interesting to note, having utilized information already on the internet; these domain names are currently for sale:

HighBids.com ($1,000) LeftBids.com ($350) GoldBids.com ($1,490) DirectBids.com ($1,395) MakeBids.com ($1,000) BidsAt.com ($1,895) LastBids.com ($1,788) HelpBids.com ($1,795) WireBids.com ($1,888) CapitalBids.com ($500) WholesaleBids.com ($499) AnimalBids.com($1,999) BondBids.com ($599) CanadianBids.com ($499) CellularBids.com ($1,888) PureBids.com ($1,250)

It has kind of a funny way of showing how successful the concept is....

QuiBids LLC
4 NE 10th Str. Suite 242
Oklahoma City, OK 73104
Phone: 4052533883
Fax: +1.4052533883

Excellent, I appreciate that sir. I've been getting more and more interested in trying out products, but I also realize its alot to ask someone to pay shipping, and of course the price of the product, even if only a single one. I can be a bit crazy with my opinions but If something is good, I want to be able to express that, and there is too much opinion around here from people that haven't even tried the products they've formed opinions about.

Gratzi.

Hey Rick

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Hello Linda

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Personally we have qualified for a Free BMW and are generating a good secondary income. We would love to work with you if you feel this would be a good fit for you.

Thanks, Hector

There is a credibility problem with the above article - namely, Len's research did not extend to the discovery that Rod Cook is on the Monitium Advisory Board. This point and the emphasis Len places on Rod Cook as a benchmarker for lumping Monitium in with the rest of the so-called "similar" companies becomes problematic in this case.

Having listened closely to the podcast this article is extracted from, I found numerous other inconsistencies of this sort, such as the assertion that Monitium control how compliance is advocated for the MLM companies in their portfolio, when in fact, it is written in the Strategic Alliance Agreement (a publically available document) binding both Monitium and the MLM companies that Rod Cook himself is the final arbiter of compliance issues.

Without these major (and some minor) points clarified and corrected, it would be easy to dismiss an opportunity without really knowing what the opportunity is and lumping it with previously failed strategies. I have no problem with subjective dismissals of ANY opportunity as each of us have to feel comfortable in our own skin working a strategy, but let's not demonize based on an incomplete or distorted picture.

What Rodney says in his comment about the Monitium model being borne from frustrations with the traditional MLM model is correct. The frustration is not only about how leaders (the top earners) have felt frustrated, but also how there is a real need to improve the success rate for those marketers who do not have a good experience at any level working the traditional MLM model.

If we feel that improvement cannot come but through following the same path, but just finding a better way to walk it, then we limit the potential for innovation in the industry. I understand that innovation can often struggle to find an initial foothold. It will not be easy for Monitium to show it is not colored the same as the black-tarred so-called “similar” failed systems of the past, but the innovations are there, and there is room to dig deeper and find those through a deeper discussion of the structure of the Monitium platform as I hope I have addressed on 2 of the points I mentioned here that were entirely missed by Len’s podcast and article.

That is not to say the Monitium strategy cannot be improved upon, and as an insider I see that feedback from members does loop back to improvements. I would like to see an even wider scope for this strategy to include some of the less well-developed (or financially limited) systems trying for a similar result to Monitium, but having their own talent, resources and angles to give traction to a potentially worthwhile strategy.

Please note: Rod Cook (of MLM Watchdog fame), quoted as a source in your article on the "against side" of Monitium, is in fact a prominent member of the Monitium Advisory Board.

That point alone is enough to indicate a MAJOR difference between your perspective and what Rod Cook is backing in being part of the Monitium system. Consequently, using Rod Cook as a source in your article has no bearing on the critical analysis of Monitium as a potentially successful strategy for marketers. Because this critical point was entirely missed in the research for this article, a revised analysis could be in order, or at the very least an acknowledgement that Rod Cook is on the Monitium Advisory Board.

Corrections & clarifications of this Monitium review.

1) You use Rod Cook to bolster your case against umbrella companies of which you include Monitium. However, Rod Cook is a prominent member of the Monitium Advisory Board and would be a relevant addition to your article.

2) Ii is incorrect to state that Monitium essentially dictates to a partner MLM Company how compliance is arbitrated. In fact, the final arbiter is Rod Cook. This information is found in the Strategic Alliance Agreement document linked to on the Monitium home page.

3) There is a difference between Monitium going out of business to an MLM partner going out of business. A Marketer's income (for the vastly major part) is from the MLM partner company, NOT Monitium. If Monitium passes, a Marketer's positions in the MLM partner companies continue regardless.

4) Monitium exclude pre-existing members of a new MLM partner to take up another position with that company in Monitium.

Well stated, too bad the masses of asses who vote are clueless about the truth behind government, it is always about greed, money and power, but hey, it is not worth the time to debate with those who have their heads up their asses in total denial that we are all in deep trouble.

Peace,

In the interest of avoiding a complete departure of multi level marketing as the main topic, I'm going to suggest a bit of a organization at least on my part, after all this is actually a discussion about DinarTrade and not personal political beliefs, so this will be my last post delving into this topic in order to clarify a few things in the process for you Travis lol. No one said anything about 9/11 being an inside job, I don't know what Mike's beliefs are on the subject but my general feeling is that it was worth some healthy questioning as anything is, but ultimately the evidence points to it being a legit event. There are a ton of people that are religiously insistent that it was all a set up, I'm not one of them.

As far as your view of third world countries and they being "mouths to feed", you certainly seem to have a very high and mighty sense of self conservation when the worst of your problems is probably which AC will give you the best BTU's. In the end, when someone is suffering the ills of murder, starvation, or watching their daughter or wife be violated by a dictator's cronies in the street, isn't it worth focusing a bit harder on how to get the rest of the world to strive for the same quality of life, as opposed to trying to conquer and manipulate it? I have news for you sir, the world is changing rapidly, political and financial structures all over the world are declining. Jobs are being outsourced on a massive scale, what jobs are left will pay too little for most of you "BTU" types to bother with, and when you finally get desperate enough, they will already be taken by someone that didn't need an AC...and that someone will add up to 10 for every one of you since the population is literally exploding. Over time, there will no longer be nice neighborhoods vs ghettos, there will be stable areas and war zones.

The United States is a shooting star, burning real bright but with a short life span. In a mere 235 years we have just about run ourselves dry, and have a divided, artificial, two party police state to show for it. So many people are all too busy complaining about a system they know hardly anything about, trapped in the belief that there is a difference between Libs and Cons, Reps and Dems, bickering about things that don't matter. How many Nuclear plants do we have here in the states, I know the number, do you? With our current financial state, how do you think we'd do with a submerged California, which is NOT Hollywood by the way, that is a matter of time. Meanwhile you go ahead and continue to worry about how patriotic our kids should be, or accuse others of telling lies when it is actually the truth.

No war we have ever been involved in had much to do with anything but money, though I would love to give World War 2 the benefit of the doubt since our leaders didn't want to become part of Germany. It has been chaos and bloodshed that made America its riches, and that pattern hasn't changed, its just that our glorious leaders are getting involved in any situation that can yield profits. Meanwhile people like you sit on the sidelines with tears in your eyes about how the "spirit of America" is dying, and how Jimmy Joe Bob is dying in Iraq, for MY freedom., as if the two had anything to do with each other. If this makes me a hippy, so be it.

I don't believe a word of this paranoid crap, what next, 911 was an inside job? You people are like parasites, and you have no idea just how crazy you sound and how damaging you are to the youth of this country, who are going to believe whatever you tell them because they are too busy playing video games and texting. The war was a mistake, there was no doubt about that, but the rest of the world has proven again and again to be an ungrateful mouth to feed for the United States, and its Allies. There were Weapons of mass destruction reported to former president Bush, and that was the piece of information that was unfortunately bad. This country spends billions of dollars every year just to confirm there is carbon on the moon, believe me there will be no economic collapse, not now, not soon, not ever. The United States dollar goes up and down but you can rest assured it will end up on top, it always does.

You think you can live better anywhere else in the world you go right ahead and try. The thing that ruffles my feathers more than anything are all you tree huggers that lie and misrepresent half-assed facts in order to spread disinformation while simultaneously enjoying the freedom to say what you please and live without some 3rd world dictator violating you in multiple ways. What a terrible time it is to have to share a country with a bunch of ungrateful, un American commie want-to-bes. What else do you guys believe, that the government knows how to produce free energy but kills anyone who attempts to go public with it? Did you guys cheer when Wikileaks basically opened a wound in your own country in hopes of an infection? What in the world has happened to you that you have become so susceptible to home brewed propaganda?

The oil companies keep your houses warm, your cars running and your stores open, so go buy something and be grateful. It's not called oppression, its called conquest, and much like natural selection, if a society can't evolve passed a certain point and does nothing but produce violence, bloodshed and filth, then let it die so a more useful one can make better use of it. That's how the world becomes a better place, whether you want to accept it or not. Oil.. please, do you think it was really that simple? That was only a benefit to establishing a more Western Iraq, they did the best they could with the information they had. Bush may very well go down as one of the most hated presidents we have ever had, and yet he sacrificed his legacy so that we wouldn't have to change our way of life.

Oh man, you have opened up a chatter beast in me lol..

First, I'd like to say excellent points, well stated and true. I'm not entirely certain as to how close we are to a collapse, but I will say we are most definitely on a very fragile spider web, and we are dependant on wayyy too many threads which we somehow manage to completely push without them snapping. As stated, war=control/profit for the powers that be, and I like the equation because it is a universal truth, whether you believe in the traditional oligarchy, democracy, New World Order, or Reptilian aliens lol, I think everyone agrees on that. There are still quite a few patriots that refuse to believe we are governed that way, but look at the world. We remain in a standoff with Korea, we are standing on the welcome mat with Libya, refusing to "officially" go to war, but much like Iraq, and countless other war zones throughout history, we have no problem supplying arms and training. Then we turn around and renounce war while pushing for peace, or at least our government controlled media does lol.

If I were to make myself believe things are as they want us to think, and as most Americans do, I'd have to look at my government and think they were completely insane. Only a nut job would get involved in what could potentially be several simultaneous wars with countries who do have allies, and those allies also need resources. What kind of government can barely pay its own bills and still be willing to risk a complete collapse? The answer; one that knows, and has had planned for god knows how many years, exactly what its doing.

As far as the DinarTrade, it is quite possible that DinarTrade themselves may do exactly what they say, and if that's the case, I can't exactly fault them. When I originally wrote the review, most of my research had to do with the concept itself, and that was without an onslaught of "scam". I wouldn't be honest if I didn't agree that its not exactly easy to find a complaint about the company itself. So maybe I'll consider my mind changed on that point. As to my friend, it was his wife's spending in regard to buying Dinar's that cause them to even lose their home, so again, I can't exactly blame DinarTrade, but at the time, I was seeing the entire movement as a whole, which wasn't exactly fair.

Another excellent statement you made about force feeding democracy, and I couldn't agree more, although I think that was more what they wanted people to believe as opposed to what they were actually trying to do. 9/11 was a superb catalyst for the entire string of events in regard to public opinion, people wanted blood and they wanted it then and there, few people wondered what in the world Iraq had to do with any of it. Had those same people understood what the last 100 years of our foreign policy, mixed with western imperialism, mixed with multiple forms of repression do to groups of people, they would have had a much better understanding of the hatred they have had for us. That isn't to say I approve of violence or terrorism, but when you are dying because a machine is pressing down on you, what else do you have?

Agreed,

We are actually in agreement, and the dinar trade smear was wrong and Utah was simply attacking anyone who was exchanging dinar, and did't bother doing their due diligence, just painted with a broad brush all dealers as the same.  You will not find one complaint about dinar trade, and no, I do not work for them, but have known Ali for years since he is one of largest and most well extablished dealers, and soon, a bank in U.S. and has agreed to exchange for anyone at a flat rate of $150. when Iraq finally announces restoration of dinar to former value, whatever that may end up being. 

Iraq invasion was just one of the biggest scams on the American taxpayers, total BS to think they were ever a threat to U.S., but then again, the call is war games for a reason, most wars are nothing more than a game for those in control.  Currently, we are facing world war III, the economic war which will bring us to our knees, and sooner than most think.  We are about to see the U.S. file bankruptcy again, and going into Libya is perfect example of how leaders play the game, distract citizens when the issue is really on brink of economic collapse.

Personally, I will hold my Iraqi dinar and be much more secure than those with U.S. dollars in the bank.  With $15T deficit, no hard assets, as in gold or silver to back dollar, it is about to become worthless, so we will all see who wins in the end who hold dinar verses dollars at the end of year, but my bet is on dinar, 100 to 1. lol  Few understand the middle east, and to even thing we could force feed democracy down their throats is a joke.  Most already know our two party system is a disgrace, so to imply this broken system would work where there are three or more sectarian groups, which for all intents and purposes are parties, forget about it, it will never work.  They have hated each other since the beginning ot time, and this will never change, so what we see in Iraq is managed hate, and it could explode at any moment, and with the whole middle east in deep shit with revolution spreading like widlfire, Iraq with its massive wealth will be one of few not to see total revolution, but only if they spread the wealth like they have promised their people for years.  Talk is cheap, action is priceless, and I feel their hand is being called to revalue now, before a revolution emerges, so stay tuned, this is all about to come to an end, for we all know wealthy people do not blow themselves up, only poor repressed people revolt with violence, so we shall see. lol

Peace,

"You do not know the value of the knowledge of those directly involved in the oil industry, and as we have seen over and over, the facts do not come out for years in most cases involving proven oil reserves, more so in Iraq than anywhere else."

I can certainly respect that knowledge, and I'm in agreement with you that there is much to be learned there. I have a couple friends in the Marines that enlightened me to just how different what actually happens there is to what is reported, and both came home with a strong distaste for their own country. I like the way you put it about facts not coming to light until years later, and that is a truth that goes well beyond the oil industry.

Aside from DinarTrade, I don't think there are a ton of things we would disagree about these kinds of topics. I had read about Saudi Arabia cross drilling but could never find any tangible evidence to confirm it, but it wouldn't surprise me. I would be a liar if I said I knew one way or another if Iraq is a stronger source for oil than Saudi Arabia, but traditionally its always been thought of that the Saudis had the bigger supply. I have no choice but to apply the same logic as to whether or not they were overstating their reserves, but I'll tell you one thing, I would have to agree with you when it comes to anything that particular cabinet (Bush/Cheney), or the Rupert Murdoch mind control network had to say about it lol. Although that isn't saying much since I don't believe any cabinet really functions autonomously, its all part of a bigger picture that the rest of us aren't in on.

I appreciate you including the information on the banks, the number one thing I read all over the Internet was that no one could find anyone willing to purchase or exchange. I could see a pay off if things in Iraq drastically improved, but from what I've heard from people coming home is that its going right back into the hands of various undesirables the second we are all out of there, and going by some of the more recent footage I have seen come out, it seems like an accurate prediction. Even with our oil puppet networks installed, unless we were to do a more blatant takeover than we already have, I personally think Iraq will remain as it is for a very long time.

Interesting,

You do not know the value of the knowledge of those directly involved in the oil industry, and as we have seen over and over, the facts do not come out for years in most cases involving proven oil reserves, more so in Iraq than anywhere else.  The Kurdistan region has up to 300B barrels, on top of proven southern Iraq reserves of $173B, which is also about to be increased.  In fact, the reason Saddam invaded Kuwait was over oil, they were using horizontal drilling across border and tapping into Iraq oil, so there are a lot of facts not made public, so stay tuned, by the summer we all hear about Kurdistan oil, and the reason why they were at odds with Baghdad for years to secure their fair share, so we shall see who is right and who is wrong.

As to Saudi oil reserves, why do you think the ejected all foreign oil companies over a decade ago, they have been over stating their reserves for over ten years, and those in the know agree, peak oil is near in Saudi Arabia, why else would they build build build trying to plan for the point in time when the oil wells start drying up, trying to bolster their economy with tourism and industry.  Have you ever skied in Saudi Arabia?  They have spent billions trying to prepare for the day the oil wells dry up.  This too will come to light in less than a year, and my friend use to work in Saudi Arabia oil, and now has been in Kurdistan for over ten years, even while Saddam was in power. 

As to banks who will exchange Iraqi dinar, there have been several I personally know about over the years, Citibank, Chase and  Bank of America for over six months, ScotiaBank in CAN did for several years, although most pulled plug on Dinar in U.S. in the last year.  Regions Bank in Texas and 5/3 in Ohio, plus several others I cannot personally verifty also exchanged dinar.  So to say none have is far from being correct.  I had personally verified with Chase in NY, but this is old news, there are hundreds of people who have verified these banks over the years. 

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I will respectively remain in disagreement with you on this one, and you may have very well received everything you ordered, but I doubt you will ever see that drawing you're waiting for, but I certainly hope you do. The war was most definitely about oil, but that was only the tip of the spearhead as it goes far deeper than just oil. Saudi Arabia has twice the oil reserves that Iraq does, and Iran is second, with Iraq in 3rd place, tackle the enemies of number one, and that leaves you with dibs. Its a one stone vs 10 birds scenario. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt though, I have believed Iraq to have more oil than previously believed, but not as much as you seem to think, and no offense but I don't use "a guy I know" as reference when making that kind of statement. There are many countries similar to Iraq's foreign exchange situation and the currency value is extremely weak.

The middle east has been under the Western radar for a long, long time, and when it comes to money, power, or economic stability, you will notice that fires are started that look like little random squabbles between 3rd world regimes, when in actuality, very little takes place that the powers at be have not had a hand in, whether it be the CIA or whatever other agencies involved. Anyway, I don't want to get too deeply into this on Repspace, when DinarTrade itself is the topic. DinarTrade is a "service" I have not used, but in my research, my own experience with a personal friend, I know enough to stay away from it, and my overview reflects that information. The state of Utah didn't place these guys on a list for no reason. One question I have for you since you are directly involved; have you been able to locate any official bank or foreign exchange office that is willing to exchange the Dinar, outside of Iraq itself? I'm not challenging you with the question, I'm asking legitimately because that is the one catch I have been reading lately about people who want to sell them. In the last 60 days, the value of the Dinar has decreased by half a point, and then went back up half a point. I certainly hope you get that booming new economy you have been promised, but I wouldn't hold my breath. We will indeed see who is right and wrong once the puppets take over. Good luck to you sir.