Chad,

Also, if you want to see who really invented the demonstration that Cprime has replicated go to www.powerbalance.com and you will see the same demos being performed by them recorded on record years befoer Cprime was even thought of. Gosh the internet is a heck of a tool if you know how to research. Oh yeah, you might get sticker shock when you see what all the competition is marketing their products for, so you may want to be sitting down once you realize you have a bracelet worth $25.00 maximum and that's just because the pretty packaging which of course cost far more than the bracelet.

The truth

Chad,

Of course I have a CPrime bracelet, that's what opened the whole can of worms. For your information if you look inside the clasp you will see one magnetic bar on each side of the inside of the clasp that is approximately 2 milimeters wide by 5/8" of an inch long, if you need me to take a picture and post it on this website for all to see "THE TRUTH", I will gladly do so, also I have do have magnetic bracelets from other manufacturers that look better and work better and cost a fraction of the price and don't involve joining a MLM and are willing to offer wholesale prices to literally anyone. If you take a safety pin or paper clip it will attract it as all magnets do to the exact area I have mentioned.

If you've demonstrated this product 100 times and haven't figured it out, that's probably the same reason your still doing the demonstrations. I also found an almost identical clasp made in China available for 39 cents each, that most likely has a higher Gauss rating, speaking of which literally all magnetic bracelet manufacturers publish their gauss rating on their bracelets, not that it a patent pending technology. If you want to learn more about this AMAZING technology that has been around for over a decade just look around online under magnetic bracelets in the process you will find that there are lots of other companies that have been in business for a long time that are actually endorsed by Professional Athletes and Celebrities, not just having their picture taken with a bracelet they do not officially endorse.

Chad if you believe the Cprime bracelet doesn't have a magnet in it after reading this message and looking exactly where I said to then I have a really good deal on some Oceanfront property in Arizona you may be interested in, LOL. Obviously you've been victimized and I feel sorry for you, but for every negative there is an equal positive; hopefully when it's all said and done you will wake up and smell the roses.

The truth

Do you have a cPrime bracelet, or another product?  I tried the magnet test and it did not work.  cPrime does not have a magnet in it.  Are you saying you tried the cPrime demos with the bracelet on and there were no effects?  I've demoed this bracelet around 100 times and it worked 100 times. 

I've got an email to corporate right now regarding the names of the executives.  I wrapped the bracelet around a water bottle and charged it for 2 minutes.  I noticed my son immediately had the same results as wearing the bracelet.  The effects lasted for about 30 minutes. 

I've never tested the three water bottles before, but will definitely try it out. 

I'm in Dallas, TX.  I demoed this product last night on a good friend, and he was blown away. I've demoed it 4 times today already with the same effects.   I read the email from the guy stating to get a magnet off my refrigerator and you will have the same effects, and it is simply false.  There were no similar effects as cPrime what-so-ever. 

Everyone has the right to be skeptical.  I know I was when I first saw the YouTube videos, but then I bought a bracelet and tried it out, and have done approximately 100 demos to friends, family, and strangers, and it worked 100% of the time. 

You want a bracelet, I'll send you one.  If you don't like it or think its a hoax, mail it back and I will refund your money.  To everyone reading this, being skeptical is fair, but don't knock a product until you have tried it.

Watchdog,

I concur with you on the scam aspect, the marketing of this bracelet is very deceptive and is subject to the DTPA Deceptive Trade Practices Act and will for sure end up in litigation and or prosecution. As to the bracelet - it's a magnetic bracelet, not a magical bracelet, I know I have one and feel like a real sucker for paying $100.00 for it, but it was a learning process, during this process i learned that all magnets can effect balance, and there are many published credible reports that have been conducted in blind and placebo test such as the one performed by The Baylor College of Medicine and can easily be found online at: .

http://www.ucgc.org/faq/copper-bracelets/default.htm

Go to your refrigerator and take any reasonably sized magnet off and try the exact same things you have seen on the videos, and I also recommend the same to anyone whom has a CPrime bracelet, compare it to a refrigerator magnet and you will get the same AMAZING results. It's one thing to sell and market magnetic bracelets legally, it's another thing to fraudualantly exploit or promote something with the intent of making a sell and to do so online, now  you officially make the jump from the DTPA to The Federal Trade Commision, and their authority which will most likely become involved and start an official investigation once three complaints are received. Watchdog you could be the first. Once they do, and I feel pretty confident it is inevitable then Karma will turn full circle and a lot of people will be in trouble who hopefully have more money than the government they will be fighting, and plenty of free time to do so. Anyone who is a distributor I strongly urge you to contact a competant attorney, advise them of what has been posted and ask their opinion. I have, hence the above provided information.

Sincerely submitted,

The truth 

Could you explain what effects you observed in your son after drinking the charged water?

How long does it take the cPrime bracelet to charge the water?

If you ask a third party to take three bottles of water and charge one but not the others, but not let you know which is which, that you could absolutely tell which one was charged by drinking it yourself or having someone else drink it?

What area are you in? I would be interested in travelling and testing this, with video.

Regarding the cPrime bracelet patent - every company claims they are 'patent pending'. Patent Pending means a patent application has been filed. Patent applications that have been filed are a public record and can be searched in the USPTO database. Do you have direct contact with any of the executives? Ask them about the patent. Ask for any single bit of verifiable information that can be used to look up the cPrime patent. I will send you a cashier's check for $100 if you can post the link to the published patent here.

I respect your belief in the product. I also respect the tone of your reply. I am definitely a major skeptic, and have yet to try any of these products that has actually worked.

Do you have the names of the executives?

Thanks.

*****This reply is based solely on my own experience with cPrime*****

1.  No, the cPrime bracelet does not have to be in contact with the skin.  You can actually wrap the bracelet around a bottle of water, and the embedded bio antenna will charge the water and you can safely drink it and instantly have the same effects (I've tried this on my 8 year old son).  From my understanding, one of the upcoming products is a water bottle with the bio antenna embedded in the water bottle and will charge the water once you fill it up.  You can also wrap the bracelet around any watch and it will charge the watch (from my own personal experience)

2.  Yes.  I have heard one of the upcoming products will be the bio antenna embedded into clothing.  (Similar to the Under Armor symbol would be the chip)

3.  Yes you can hold it in your hand.  I tried this on my neighbor last night who had extremely large wrists and I could not fit the bracelet around him. 

The company has not officially launched and the bio antenna is patent pending.  From my understanding they have been testing the product at a world renowned Bio Metric facility and the results will be published soon.  I know the you tube videos may seem cheesy, but once you actually try the bracelet on for yourself applying the same techniques in the video, you will truly bite your tongue.   cPrime has NEVER said this actually will increase your strength, endurance, flexibility and balance...cPrime has been very honest in saying it "could" do the aforementioned.  There are no medical claims this band will actually do anything, but once you see it first hand, you will be a believer.  

And one more thing...Your facts are incorrect.  Rob Deboer is not the founder of this company.  He is simply a distributor and that's it.  I've also demoed this product against the Power Balance and the Power Balance did nothing for me.   If you are interested in learning more, feel free to contact me.  I wear this bracelet daily and have seen first hand and heard some amazing results.  Come on watch dog...don't knock something and write a blog dogging on a product you have never tried.  Do your homework first!

WDB,

Thanks for your reply.  You are correct - I have never had the cPrime bracelet on my wrist. I have however had the EFX Power Balance bracelet 'tested' on me, and the testing method ( applied kinesiology ) as well as the pitch ( embedded chip technology ) are exactly the same. If you would like to send me one to test, I'd be happy to do so. The same with CieAura hologram chips, whatever the latest and greatest scam is being perpetrated on people like  who are complete susceptible to the the placebo effect and buy into the results you see when someone does the same kinesiology strength tests on you.

I'm definitely a skeptic, but if I saw any result at all I would be the first person here touting the benefit and would retract everything I have posted previously.

I have three serious questions:

1. Does the cPrime bracelet have to be in contact with the skin?

2. Does the cPRime Neo work through clothing? 

3. Can I hold the cPRime in my hand while someone does the test, or does it have to be on my wrist?

News Flash for you, it is obvious that you have never had a cPrime bracelet on your wrist. You call yourself watchdog, but that is all you do, watch. Find a cPrime distributor and have them put the bracelet on your wrist and experience for yourself how it REALLY WORKS!  Please bring some friends with you so they can try it to. Once you have done that, I will accept your humble apology.

Ever since I was pitched on the EFX Power Balance scam, I've been amazed at how many hokey new products use the EXACT SAME applied kinesiology scam to pitch their product.

The newest is cPRime, a new magnetic bracelet company founded by Rob DeBoer. DeBoer was formerly associated with BurnLounge, which was whacked by the FTC. At least they were actually selling music. That you could listen to. Versus another bracelet or sticker scam that claims to work wonders for your body and all you need for the proof is a quick test administered by a sheister in on the scam who makes the rubes think they are seeing results.

The cPrime scam: This is pitched just like the EFX bracelet, same stupid tests done before and after you wear or hold the cPrime bracelet.

Check out the cPrime scam video. And the "spokes models" - who are not compensated by cPrime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRmPhoHsXoU

Mark ( last name mumble-mumble something ) is a "Personal Trainer and a Fitness Model". Flash to a cover of Men's Health AUSTRALIA that must have been shot years ago, because Mark Mumbles looks like he just spent the last 12 months in the outback getting kicked in the face by a kangaroo.

Mark goes on to tell us he's not compensated by cPrime, then goes into an amazing dissertation on the inner workings of the human body ( I always go to a former sports model when I need medical advice )

Mark says "every biochemical event in the human body is proceeded by an exchange of electrons which occurs at the microscopic level" and then how peak performance is based on the coordination of these microscopic events.

Awesome Mark. Thanks for telling me that electrons are microscopic, and that we are made up of molecules, ergo everything we do is based on those microscopic events. Brilliant. Sounds all brainy. If the cPrime bracelet somehow effects these molecular events why not have someone who knows something about electrons and microscopic events be the spokesperson. Instead of....an australian spokesmodel who posed once for a Men's Health cover before he did a walkabout on his face.

If you watch the cPrime scam video, you see Marky Kangaroo and another spokesmodel go through the motions of "Applied Kinesiology" to demonstrate the amazing benefits of the cPrime bracelet.

News Flash: I can shoot a video of myself of myself wearing the LiveStrong bracelet, Levitating. And picking up a car. And turning out the lights by snapping my fingers. Does that make it real? No.

Applied Kinesiology is the new holy grail of the MLM scam product. All of the new generation of bracelets, stickers, holograms, etc all use these parlour tricks as demonstrations of the products effectiveness. What's amazing is how many people actually fall for the scams. It's a hoax people. Placebo effect. Is the FTC or the FDA ever going to step in a smack these companies?

Watch the above video, then watch this video of the Amazing Randy debunking a 'crystal' that is tested the same way as the new magnetic bracelet. Same bogus tests, but when really put to a blind test, there's no substance.

cPrime is just another scam.

I will lay money on the line that no one pitching this product or any of the others that use the applied kinesiology scam as the method of proving the products invisible effectiveness can tell a magnetic bracelet from a rubber band in a blind test.

The same with the hologram sticker companies. LifeWave, now CieAura. First it was a sticker with a formula, now its a sticker with a holgoram. Put nine Pokemon stickers in envelopes and one CieAura sticker in each of ten envelopes and there is no test on the planet that will let anyone know which is which. They'll "Detect" the right sticker exactly 10 percent of the time, the same as if I guessed randomly.

The cPrime scam is just preying on peoples gullibility and the desire to believe.

Hi Wallace,

You can actually get a free credit report once a year from all 3 bureaus already. Honestly, it's time for thing to change and people to stop using credit and start saving for bigger purchases anyway. By buying into this whole Lifelock scam, consumers are being taken for a major ride. There is absolutely no reason why, if you're going to have credit, you can't keep track of it. You're right too, that every credit card and bank card will call you when a purchase is made that isn't your norm, and I'm pretty sure if a loan is given without proper ID, it's not a binding loan thankfully.

http://www.lifelock.com/

In the past, I've wondered if there were any services like this to protect individuals from identity theft, and in all fairness, I assumed there were, but there is already almost an over abundance of safety protocols designed and implemented with the consumer in mind. These standard measures are handled by businesses and companies as part of their normal service; be it banks, credit card companies, subscription based web sites, or eBay.

After reviewing what you actually receive for this service, I'm trying to understand why anyone feels the need for what amounts to a minute amount of coverage. I'm not at all trying to be rude, or condescending in any way towards individuals that feel the need to fortify a sense of security when it comes to finances. Nor am I trying to be rude or presumptuous toward about new company, however, I can't logically find a place for companies like Lifelock in an already overflowing network of services; all promising to protect my identity, or defend my PC from viruses.

In fact, just recently, I used my bank card to make a purchase on eBay, and immediately received a phone call asking me to answer specific questions about my identity in order to clarify that it was indeed me making the purchase. Not long after, I used my credit card to buy a bottle of wine at a liquor store, and sure enough; received  another phone call from a VISA associate doing a security check to make sure that my card wasn't stolen by a ninja.

Lifelock charges $10 a month for its basic service, and $15 for its "Command Center" service. That means that for 4 years, I'm going to pay $480, and for that amount of money, I'm going to receive a free credit report, which is essentially mailed to me for free from my credit card institution every 4 months, but I can pay a fraction of that for the same service from all 3 "major" credit card bureaus, and unless I fail to pay my bills or loans, my credit score isn't going to change much in 4 months...

I also receive a "fraud alert" which is placed on my credit file in order to protect me from anyone trying to take out a loan under my name, as if the phone call each and every time I use my credit card isn't enough. The fraud alert essentially goes on your credit file and insures that a proper identity verification takes place before anyone can take out a new line of credit in your name. Isn't this something that takes place anyway? Let's say for the sake of argument that it doesn't; realistically, you would probably find it easier to track down the credit associate that failed to verify your identity than to get another credit associate to replace his own company's protocol with Lifelock's. Any credit agency or credit card service that fails to verify someone's identity will be found at fault 9 out of 10 times, and they would likely issue back the credit instead of paying legal fees.

Another issue with Lifelock that has already occurred in one case, is that it slows down the loan process, and that is already the subject of a legal dispute between Experian and Lifelock.

What I ultimately can't understand is why anyone would pay $10 a year to have someone else place a fraud alert on your credit file when you can do it yourself?

Companies like MonaVie that have been in business for a few years will always have upset distributors, or people who are trying to bash the company to take advantage of their name recognition or search engine results in order to promote a different company.

( Unlike when I bash companies like CieAura or EFX or cPrime. I'm not pitching anything, I just think the FTC should check them all out asap ).

Other nasty scams like the Google Cash Scam are definitely ones to watch out for. 

I was having a conversation last night with two people from different MLM companies. One sells MonaVie. The other sells Verma or Verve or something like that.

It was funny because they were both accusing the other of being part of an MLM scam.

I had already heard of MonaVie so I looked them up and there are tons of pages about a "MonaVie Scam" - even whole websites dedicated to defending the company. I couldn't find anything that actually made it look like a scam, just disgruntled reps who I guess couldn't get anyone else to sign up with them and didn't make any money.

Is Monavie or any other company a scam just because you sign up and don't actually manage to build a business? Or is it just if the company actually scams you out of money or has questionable business practices or is selling a whole lot of nothing just to move money around and pay commissions?

Does anyone know who the founders and executives are for cPrime?

I found a photo on a Facebook page that references Joshua Higgenbotham and Efstathios Maroulis.Not sure if that's accurate.

The cPrime website at mycprime.com does not display any info except an enroll now link, which doesn't work without a sponsor ID.

The company that has been transformed into 360 is Cyberwize.

They have sold out to Potillo and a group of Mexican NM players of dubious origin

If past records are anything to go by the Potillo is set to slash, burn and pillage this company

affording a rich harvest for the top guys and leaving the original company Independent executives as lambs to the slaughter that is

dressed as Lock your Spot. These sign up downline figures are worthless unless all the guys then stomp

up buy-ins to the company. We all know how likely free turns into spend spend spend...

The upline rewards for this will be cents or percentages of cents.

You are right to feel it is a harvesting list building operation. It is. The razamatazz on the 15th May will herald

a lot of Ra Ra but soon people will find out its true depth.

From being a new venture launch it has turned into a soft launch for real one in Jan/Feb 2011.

Conveniently approx a year ahead.

WATCH POTILLO FLY AWAY SHORTLY AFTER THAT.......

People should really do their due diligence though Potillo is good at covering his tracks

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Has anyone reported to any State Attorney General or the FTC about the inability to receive a refund?

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Sometimes you have to love the Freedom of Information act.

One phone call, and I was able to answer my own question. I received a packet from the FTC today with several pages of complaints about CieAura.

The mildest is one complaining about paying $5.95 for priority shipping, and not receiving overnight shipping.

The others are filed under claims of "Deception/Misrepresentation": I will try to scan and post the complaints here if possible.

I use the sleep chip about three to four nights. I take them off in the morning and put them on at night. My wife noticed a change in my sleep(previously stated) before I did. Once she told me that I had quit snoring I kept using the chip. I didn't notice a difference for several weeks...I had been so bad for so long I think it took me awhile to start feeling better. Now, once my feet are on the floor I'm awake! Before I felt like crap all day...my mind stayed foggy. I feel 100% different now. Do I ever have a bad nights sleep now? Yes, but my worse nights sleep now, is better than my best nights sleep before...and he bad ones are few and far between...and uselly self induced.

My mom, gave some to her MD. He had never heard of the product, but told her a week later that he loved the energy and balence chip...he's now looking at the buiz.

I was as skeptical as anyone and was set out to prove they did not or would not work. My own experiences changed my mind. Now, I've seen them work on people that I've personally given them to. There is no way to change anyone's mind on these forums...you have to try them for yourself, and come to your own conclusions, like I did.

I was concerned about the Ken and Life Wave connection, and wish the company would come out with more disclosure but, I can't deni the product works...seen to many successes. Does it work for everyone in every situation...probably not, some people have serious problems that need serious medical attention. This product will, in general, help your minor discomfort, help your focus and energy, and rest...and in some cases even more severe problems...everyone is different.

To the person that said this is a pyramid scheme, give me a break, that's really old. Amway has been around for 50 years and if it was illegal don't you think it would have been shut down? There are legal pyramids such as Corporations, government etc. etc. A illegal pyramid is were you buy in with no product, and no way to out grow the person that brings you into the business. In legal networking businesses you sell a product and with the work you put into it, you can out grow anyone in the organization finacially.

I can see you've certainly done your due diligence with regard to wanting to see how/if the chips actually work.  And I can understand how you've come to your conclusion that they are only a placebo since the company has not been as forthcoming as one would expect.  Did you choose to devote this much time to the required research as part of your decision on whether to use the products or do you simply find that type of research interesting?  I guess I'm curious what led you to it in the first place, i.e. what's your why?  Are you a medical doctor and as a result, seeking out the actual science in the literature?  If so, that makes sense to me.

I can tell you we've personally spoken with several doctors, both medical and chiropractic, who seem to have a better understanding of the 'why' or 'how' behind the chips functions.  We've also seen some of these same doctors demonstrate the kinesiology or muscle response testing using the chips in a packet where 3 different chips were in the packet, and removing them one by one to where they identified one specific chip worked on a specific situation and not on another.  Again, I'm sure there are many who also don't believe in kinesiology, but they most likely also don't believe in acupuncture or acupressure either.

At this point, I choose to agree with 'drugfreehealth' that time will tell IF, as you believe, CieAura is hiding the fact these are no more than stickers and everyone's positive results are simply the placebo effect.  Until then, I, like drugfreehealth, believe they DO work and I also believe there IS science behind them that they are just not willing to share yet, for reasons we're not yet privy to.  Again, if they were truly just a placebo, how do they work on animals and small children who can't reason that it SHOULD help them, which is how a placebo works for anyone, i.e. their own brain convincing them it did.  How do you explain that?  Do you think we're all willing ourselves to believe our animals and children are receiving the benefits?  That is not logical to me since there are also way too many skeptics who now 'believe' the product works.  How did the placebo affect change their opinions from 'no way' to 'oh my gosh'.

I don't believe the company is a scam, regardless of Mr. Rasner's past associations with LifeWave and the information you've discovered regarding previous patent applications.  There will always be negative press on any network marketing company, always has and it appears, always will.  So, I guess, for that reason, I have become accustomed to making my own decision about a company or product, as objectively as possible without listening to the negative hype that so many people choose to spread, i.e. 'all network marketing companies are pyramids'.  To me, that's just someone who's uneducated and is brushing with too broad a stroke because of the real bad apples out there that have given this industry an undeserved reputation.

If network marketing were truly a scam industry as some seem to believe, I don't think Robert Kiyosaki, Donal Trump and Warren Buffett would recommend it as one of the best business models for those wanting to create wealth today, much less would they have invested in NM opportunities.

That being said, I understand you're not necessarily slamming NM as many here seem to be, and I think you raise many valid questions, some of which, we've raised ourselves. I, too, hope the company soon chooses to release the information behind their patent claims so we can put this all to rest, one way or the other.  Since we are choosing to believe they DO work, having the supporting documentation behind us would definitely be very beneficial.

You make a good point. Or two.

However, you are making 2 assumptions. One that the chips do not work, and two that they know about it. They make their money by people buying the chips. If the chips do not work, people are not going to buy them. Therefore they will not make money. Why would anyone in their right minds go into a business that would be exposed so quickly?

I agree that their reticence on the subject of how they work looks bad. But perhaps they have a reason that you and I are not party to. We can but watch and wait! Truth will out!

DrugFreeHealth,

Lets assume for a moment that I accept people are feeling health benefits. It's well known that people feel health benefits from placebo's too. I'm not claiming no one believes that they are feeling benefits from using the holograms.

But let's talk a moment about ethics, and not benefits.

CieAura keeps dodging the patent question, and there are several questions about the science behind the product.

If anyone knows this is just a placebo, it's Ken Rasner and CieAura.

Ethically, if someone is selling you a sugar pill and claiming its a pain medication, and the KNOW it's just a sugar pill, is that ethically and morally all right?

I don't doubt for a minute that some people are experiencing relief, or better sleep, or whatever. I firmly believe it's all the placebo effect, and the company knows they are just selling stickers.

Does that make it okay? Because some people are experiencing relief? Or is it still the CieAura scam?

So have you tried the chips?

Yes, if you want to get into the sales side of things, there is a distribution system. Network marketing has become a valid method of building a business.What do you think Avon is!

But you dont have to do that. You can just be a consumer. That way you only pay for what you use, and if it does not work for you, you stop buying!

I appreciate that you don't like the fact that you were misled about the purpose of the party. I personally prefer to hand out samples, and then let people decide if they want to buy or sell! But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Thank yo so much for your post. It expressed everything I wanted to say! And matches my experiences! So either we are both nuts, or both right! By the way, I forwarded your reply to my son, who is studying engineering at University, and is also skeptical. I just wish he would follow your sons example and try them. They could help him so much!

In a potentially troubling turn of events for Cieaura, a law firm has filed a class action lawsuit against BioPro over their "EMR" chip.

What does that have to do with CieAura?

CieAura sells an "EMF" chip that claims to do the exact same thing that the BioPro / GiaWellness scam claims. To protect cell phone uses from the harmful effects of cell phone radiation.

Well, actually, in CieAura Scam Slang it says "Fortify the body's natural resistance to EMFs which occur from cell phones."

The similarity between the BioPro scam and the CieAura EMF scam is obvious as soon as you read the complaint.

http://www.price-law.com/CM/ResourceLinks/3%20Class%20Action%20Complaint.pdf

Can a class action suit against CieAura be far behind?

A lawfirm has filed a federal lawsuit against BioPro, GIA Wellness, Alfred Hanswer, Ray W. Grimm, Lynda Cormier, Gary Merritt, Global Quantech and others for "millions of dollars paid to defendants as a result of defendants' ( BioPro ) unlawful scheme to market and sell products purported to protect humans from the dangers of harmful EMR"

The lawsuit was filed in Hamilton Superior Court, Indiana.

The similarity between the BioPro scam and other 'chip' scams is obvious as soon as you read the complaint.

http://www.price-law.com/CM/ResourceLinks/3%20Class%20Action%20Complaint.pdf