[quote user="Whatdoesitmatter"]

Are you truely that grumpy that you go from site to site just looking for something to be disgusted about.  You need to find a new hobby...maybe one that doesn't require too much thought on your part.

Debunking the CieAura scam isn't a hobby. It's a public service.

You're lack of a valid response, and instead resorting to ad hominem attacks, shows how little thought it required on your part.

If you're interested in an honest debate, bring it. If not, please crawl back under the troll rock you crawled out from under.

[quote user="Whatdoesitmatter"]

Maybe because they are to busy making money to worry about the naysayers.  If you want to see if they work just try one, afterall if you truely are the skeptic you say you are then you won't have to worry about the placebo effect because you won't be looking for something to work...you'll actually be trying to prove it wrong!  Is that a simple enough test for you?

Thanks for completely validating my point .They are making money by scamming people, so as long as there are suckers buying the CieAura holographic chip, it doesn't matter if its fake or not. A legitimate company with a legitimate product would do everything possible to protect their reputation and prove the veracity of their claims.

But not CieAura. They're 'too busy making money'.

You're quite a brain trust Whatdoesitmatter. I should send you a check just for proving my point.

Are you truely that grumpy that you go from site to site just looking for something to be disgusted about.  You need to find a new hobby...maybe one that doesn't require too much thought on your part.

Maybe because they are to busy making money to worry about the naysayers.  If you want to see if they work just try one, afterall if you truely are the skeptic you say you are then you won't have to worry about the placebo effect because you won't be looking for something to work...you'll actually be trying to prove it wrong!  Is that a simple enough test for you?

Hal,

You compare believing in the CieAura chip to religion.  Either the CIeAura holographic chip is 'real', or it 'isn't'. The results may be a placebo effect as a result of 'faith', but that's not what I'm arguing. I beleive some people experience relief from the chip -- they are probably the same people who would experience relief from faith healing or a voodoo doctor.

My question really is - is the CIeAura chip a scam?

CieAura could dispel all my concerns by simply responding to my original request for a test to demonstrate that they can identify a new CieAura chip from a "used" CieAura chip. Since they can not - there is not thing to 'use up' in the chip at all - they don't respond.

If they were legit, why not just demonstrate it and set the skeptics straight?

Hey appierce!

I stumbled across your post while stumbling around here myself. I think that it's great that you found positive results from the energy chip. Apparently you missed the memo about nothing positive being allowed in these pages! Some people believe in God, some in the Devil, some in both, and atheists don't believe in at least one of them. Who's to say that what one believes is more correct than another? The truly militant ones go on Crusades to force their beliefs on the heathen, non-believers, but truly believe that that is justified. Who's to say? As long as they work for you.

I will gladly give you all of the (Admittedly somewhat biased, as the CieAura products work for me. Can't give you quantifiable proof though.) information that I have available to me. Originally my info came from my brother-in-law, who introduced my wife and I to the products. The reluctant skeptic that I am, I avoided them for weeks. She realized results immediately, and after a few more weeks, signed up as a retailer (shameless plug). I had read a considerable amount about the products, pro and con, possibly even some of it from this site. I have also, with my wife, attended numerous meetings, and even the Official Launch referred to by "edhuk" in the "Scam" thread. It was, indeed a weekend long pep-rally, with talks by various sorts names and physicians. It doesn't take a very large leap of faith to infer that these people were there because they stand to profit from it. But is that wrong? And again, I can offer no solid, verifiable proof for any results other than my own and known people's testimonies. I don't much care for rice, but I don't believe that this fact makes over half of the world's population incorrect.

Anyhoo, I digress. If you would like some more information regarding these (in here, highly controversial) products, you can find it at this CieAura site: www.4yourlife.cieaura.com

You may also feel free to e-mail me : halhuber@live.com.  If need be, I can even call you on my dime, just to thwart the non-believers. Now I'll just sit back and wait for the hate-mail to begin....

                                                                                                                   Have A Great Day!

p.s.- Kudos go out to SheerEvolution, for not being sold on the concept either way, and being open about the world.

I stumbled across this blogg while trying to find some more of those chips. I am 63 years old, a young friend of mine put one of those energy chips on me back in January. Maybe its the placebo I need. Anyway after I went after her and her friend like a horny old goat all night she left for overseas. Two days later I went to my doctor for an EKG. We could not figure out why the machine would not take a reading. The cute little nurse finally asked me what the chip was on my chest and I took it off. Immediately the machine picked up my heart rythm on my chest. Either that chip or the placebo made me feel like 19 again. What are those things and where can I get some more are they safe for use?

First of all, I came to this website at the request of my son, who is not a fan! of CieAura I mean. And no, he has not tried them. I have. And my arthritic dog does show marked improvement when he is wearing them. But most of all, I have had pain relief since I started them. And I know when they have fallen off, because I have the pain again! How can that be in my head?

I agree that the fact that CieAura has not shown that they can id a "used" chip is concerning. But that is a reflection on the company, not the chip.

I give these chips away to friends to try. They get back to me, because they find that they do have a posative effect. Do you believe in acupuncture? Just becasue something cannot be defined yet, does not mean it is not true.

I have been told that they have done placebo tests, and the chips passed. I do not know who or where or when. I assume eventually the information will be published.

[quote user="drugfreehealth"]

But if they work on babies and my dogs, how can it just be the placebo effect? Have you tried them? If you have not, then I suggest you do not judge - They do work.

The results for the babies and the dogs are based on your perception - the dog can't tell you he is experiencing relief, nor can the baby.

Simple question - can you tell the different between a used hologram and a new hologram just by having it in contact with your body? Apparently CieAura won't respond to questions about whether they can detect a 'live' holographic patch from a 'used' holographic patch, and they manufacture it.

Can you? Would you submit to a blind test, where we take two CieAura holograms, 'use' one and not the other, send them both to you, and see if you can tell which is which?

Based on the CieAura hologram literature, we should be able to deplete one just by carrying it around in a pocket for a few days.

Sounds simple enough, yet no one ( CieAura included ) seems willing to step up to the challenge.

The video is totally relevant for the same reason - in a blind test, people claiming objects have some special healing or strength boosting power always fail when they submit to a blind test. Which is why most people and companies refuse to do them when it's all a placebo effect.

I have had sceptics who have had results, and some who have not, just as I have had beleivers who have had results and some who have not. The question is, have you tried them? I have. And they work for me and for my dogs!

That video was about a different product, claiming different results. You cannot tar all holographic chips with the same brush!

But if they work on babies and my dogs, how can it just be the placebo effect? Have you tried them? If you have not, then I suggest you do not judge - They do work.

Our good buddy, the flat footed Ken Rasner, is currently busy at the Official Launch of CieAura at Hilton Americas, 1600 Lamar St, Houston, TX 77010 US

One can only imagine the amount of BS being liberally spread around the room today and until Sunday.

The faithful will be energized, but not for the reasons they think they are.

Just as with all the other SCAMS, LifeWave, 8ight, Power Balance, Mojo Future tech and a host of wannabes, this MLM is all about making money for those at the TOP of the PYRAMID.

It's interesting to note that these SCAMS have even hit the so called "respectable" online retailers.

Amazon is currently advertising Power Balance Bracelets and other similar products.

The Power Balance Company has been EXPOSED on Australian television.

So, what does that tell you about Amazon?

I doubt that I'll be spending my money there any more.

"I would like to know how many people who were skeptical have tried the product and received no result - and if they were able to receive any CieAura refund for the CieAura hologram."

This is a good point as well.

I appreciate and thank you for your input and perspective.

Create a Great Day

[quote user="SheerEvolution"]

If it is being said that it is subjective and positive results are achieved due to the power of suggestion as in a placebo effect, in the end isn't really the positive results (without negative side effects) the believer is after? If they are willing to pay for a product they believe in and they get the results they are after in the end isn't that what it is all about?

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Very valid point. If the results are being received as the result of the placebo effect, then perhaps the user is getting a positive result and maybe for them the result is all that matters.   The issue that I have with the CieAura scam is that even with positive results, it doesn't change the underlying fact that somewhere up the CieAura chain of command, someone knows the product is all smoke and mirrors.

I would like to know how many people who were skeptical have tried the product and received no result - and if they were able to receive any CieAura refund for the CieAura hologram.

If I were deliberately avoiding the question why would I have posted a reply to begin with?

Your opinion is well taken... although I do not recall taking a position either way about the product.

I was merely suggesting to check-out some of the sciences they claim to have behind their product, which may help those who are concerned about it.

There are those who do believe in different sciences and alternatives that are not readily acceptable. Does it make those sciences or belief in them wrong if it works for the believer, even if others believe it is a mind trick? Isn't that really the same thing as a placebo?

If it is being said that it is subjective and positive results are achieved due to the power of suggestion as in a placebo effect, in the end isn't really the positive results (without negative side effects) the believer is after? If they are willing to pay for a product they believe in and they get the results they are after in the end isn't that what it is all about?

The Global Information Network website claims that it allows ordinary people to access secret information kept by the worlds most influential people.

Organizations like the Illuminati, Skull and Bones, Freemasons, and so on.

I would sort of think that if they were revealing the secrets of these 'top secret' groups that some of their 'top secret' influential members might be a bit upset.

To join Kevin Trudeau's Global Information Network ( aka Kevin Trudeau's Scam ) you pay an $1000 'initiation fee' and  $150 a month in 'monthly dues'.

With Kevin's history, will it really be that long before some agent of the FTC or SEC ( who actually is 'top secret' ) pays the fees and infiltrates the company to see what exactly it is being offered? I would have to imagine that any Kevin Trudeau Scam would be high on their list for investigations. He seems to already have provided them with quite a stream of income in terms of fines paid over the years.

I hope some of the people the FTC claims were scammed got restitution.

Kevin Trudeau has a long and colorful history, and that's probably why the "Kevin Trudeau Scam" is searched so often.

Kevin has promoted many deals and apparently made several fortunes. He has also run into a considerable amount of trouble with the FTC as well as being convicted of some serious felonies.

Kevin's initial entry into multi-level marketing appears to be with Nutrition for Life, his partner being a fellow inmate that he met in prison.

Kevin's self-published book "Natural Cures They Don't Want You To Know About" seems to be his initial claim to fame. He touted it via informercials.  In 2005 the New York State Consumer Protection Board issued a warning that the book contained no actual cures, just a lot of speculation. One of the funniest things ( and probably a great judge of Kevin Trudeau's character ) is that the dust jacket of the book included an endorsement from an FDA commissioner - who had been dead several years before the book was published. Maybe Kevin should have published a book called "Endorsements from the Afterlife: My Conversations with Herbert Ley".

Kevin published a followup book with a similar title, then jumped on the Weight Loss bandwagon with "The Weight Loss Cure They Don't Want You to Know About".  The book was based on a plan from the 1950s. Before the book was published, the FTC had already ordered clinics and promoters of the original diet to inform prospective patients that there was no substantial evidence that it offered any benefit besides those you would get by simply restricting your caloric intake. 

Other follow ups included "Debt Cures they Dont Want You to Know About" and "Money Making Secrets They Dont Want You to Know About"

Another better title may have been "Don't Pick Up The Soap and Other Prison Secrets They Don't Want You To Know About".

Kevin Trudeau's Scam troubles seem to have begun in 1990, when he deposited close to $100,000 in fake checks. He pleaded guilty. He'd also used the credit cards of several people from his "mega memory" product to run up bogus charges of another $100,000.  He did a two year stretch in the Fed Pen for these activities. ( He may have written "The Federal Penitentiary: It's not the Country Club "They" Say It Is".

After that, Kevin started having serious run-ins with the SEC and the FTC.

He settled in 1996 with the states of Illinois and Michigan and the SEC for operating an illegal pyramid scheme. The settlement was in excess of $150,000. 

The FTC fined him $500,000 in 1998 for his actions relating to misleading claims in his informercials. (Mega Memory System, Addiction Breaking System, Action Reading, Eden's Secret, and Mega Reading).

His company Shop America was whacked by the FTC for claiming his Coral Calcium product claims were false and misleading. He didn't comply, and was held in contempt for continuing to make the claims via an informerical and direct mail. The net result was a $2,000,000 ( Yes, Two Million ) to settle charges that he claimed the coral calcium product could cure cancer. He also agreed to a LIFETIME BAN from promoting products using informercials.

Most recently, Mr. Trudeau was arrested for criminal contempt in his pending case before the US District Court. He spent 30 days in jail, and the matter is still pending.

Does all this mean that anything that Kevin Trudeau is associated with is a scam? Like anyone charismatic enough to fool people over and over and over again, I'm sure he has plenty of sheeple willing to proclaim how misunderstood he is and how his products really did cure cancer but "THEY" shut him down because of all the things "THEY" didn't want you to know.

Kevin Trudeau's newest deal seems to be the Global Information Network ( GIN ). I haven't researched yet exactly what the association is, but Global Information Network seems to be a "non-profit" whose founders are ... anonymous. The fee to join is around $1000 and a $150 a month dues scheme. Not sure what the product even is, if anyone does, please enlighten.

Even with all this info on the Internet, which makes it so much easier to track scammers and scams, people will just ignore it because the scammer can look them straight in the eye and say:

"It's all untrue". And who knows. Maybe there is another Kevin Trudeau out there. Or maybe he has an evil twin. Stranger things have happened. On soap operas...

Speaking of scams, does anyone have any info on the latest Kevin Trudeau Scam?

I hear he is back in business. With his history with the SEC and FTC, I'm am utterly surprised that he continues to operate in the public eye.

This is definitely a scam.

The Google Cash Scam also goes by other names: Googlecash, Google Money Tree Scam, Google Kit Scam, "Make Money With Google", and so on.

They use Google's name in such a way that seems to add credibility to the scam. But you're not paying Google - you're paying the scammer.

Google's Adsense program is free. You can incorporate it into any website you have that they approve. ( Certain rules apply - no porn, etc ).

Rather than paying for a Google Cash Scam offer, just go to Google, create an adsense account, read the very clear and simple information they have online and you will understand the program and be able to use it. Free.

Several friends have asked me what I thought about the Google Cash ads they see all over, about how they can make thousands at home simply by registering with Google...

Total scam.

The way the Google Cash Scam works is by taking a small shred of truth and spinning it into an elaborate scheme to liberate you from your hard earned cash.

The people behind the Google Cash Scam ads want you to enroll in their program for a fee so they can share with you their secret of how Google wants to give you thousands of dollars just for placing ads.

The reality is that Google will pay anyone for placing ads - ads on your website, ads on your blog, as long as they meet Google's strict quality criteria.

The part they also fail to mention is that in order to actually earn any month from Google, you need to have TRAFFIC. The Google Cash Scam ads are so misleading they make it sound as though just by creating a Google Adsense account, Google will suddenly start sending you checks. They won't. You need unique visitors viewing your content and your ads, and of those that view them, a small percentage will actually click through.

I don't know if the Google Cash Scam ads encourage you to click on your own ads - but lots of people have discovered very quickly that Google is quite adept at catching adsense cheats. Your computer has a unique IP address, and each time the ads are clicks, Google most likely tracks it. Same with asking all your friends and family to go click your ads. Eventually, Google with notice the pattern and your account is suspended and even the little trickle of cash you were getting is gone.

So instead of investing your money in the Google Cash Scam, spend it on hosting your own site, developing some unique content and promoting it on various social networks. Once you have the traffic, you can ad Google Adsense FREE without having to pay anyone to help you do it.

[quote user="Devkat"]

Primerica Is a legitimate company just went public. I like the MLM model and the financial products on the service side are good. The downside is it takes a lot of time to build the business and your limited by there sales structure where you can sign people up its a local business!! You will need to acquire several licenses to sell all the products also. My insurance license took 8 wks to come in. One other tip if you decide to join stick to the outside of your warm market while they train you so you can have some people left for your personal sales!! 

Devkat,

Can you elaborate on how the business works for people who join the company? I think part of the reason so many post about a Primerica Scam is that there is little understanding about the business, and people like the guy who keeps trying to get me to turn over my financials sort of spook some of us about actual deal.

That and the fact that a search for the term Primerica Scam returns about a billion results.

Primerica Is a legitimate company just went public. I like the MLM model and the financial products on the service side are good. The downside is it takes a lot of time to build the business and your limited by there sales structure where you can sign people up its a local business!! You will need to acquire several licenses to sell all the products also. My insurance license took 8 wks to come in. One other tip if you decide to join stick to the outside of your warm market while they train you so you can have some people left for your personal sales!! 

Someone has been approaching me for over 24 months about Primerica and wanting to manage my financial future. The guy is pretty slimey and my impression is that its a scam.

Does anyone have any info on the Primerica Scam?

He doesn't seem to be trying to enroll me into the company, just to sit down and do some planning, but according to his wife he spends thousands of dollars a year on seminars and materials, and has yet to make even a fraction of that back. That alone makes it sound like a Primerica Scam to me.

No matter how many times I ask those pointed questions though - about how much he's spent in Primerica - he just dodges the question and keeps asking me to sit down and review my financials.

Any info?

Someone posted here about the Five Pillars in a negative response to a post from a distributor in another company.

I checked out the link in the poster's tagline and found that it led back to a landing page / funnel page for a business called "Mentoring For Free". I am always skeptical when a page has no info about the actual product being promoted, and offers something for nothing ( like the Success in 10 Steps book ).

Mentoring for Free and Success in 10 Steps is by Michael Dlouhy. Is Mentoring for Free a scam? I don't know, but I'm going to break it down.

If you enter Michael Dlouhy's name in Google with the word scam next to it you get 52,700 resutls. That doesn't mean there are 52,700 pages about a Michael Dlouhy scam - just that there are that many pages that contain all of those words.

According to different pages, Michael Dlouhy is an MLM "guru" and a conversational hypnotist.

The Mentoring for Free program is not free. If you are part of the pro version, it will cost you 19.95 a month. The program supposedly offers:

Live Training Calls. Learn the 4 personality types. Saturday night mastermind call. Learn about compensation plans. Learn how to do your due diligence. And learn how to talk with prospects.

Does that require a monthly fee? Couldn't it all be included in a free mentoring guide? Isn't calling it "Mentoring for Free" a bit ...scammy... if it's not really free?

It turns out that the "Five Pillars' touted by the program ( and quoted in the negative post ) conveniently match the company Vitamark - which is also the company Michael Dlouhy is promoting along with the program.

To me, the Mentoring for Free program seems just like Vemma Builder or any of the other secondary marketing programs that are springing up to not only boost sales for the company, but also create an additional revenue stream for the promoter/marketer/*guru* ( as in Michael Dlouhy )

One very well written review said: "If you are in Michael’s company Vitamark, MFF may be a decent option for you if you can handle being deceptive and you don’t mind busting your ass to brand someone else and getting no compensation for it. My advice: RUN when you see Mentoring for Free or Michael Dhloughy."

I did not see one positive review of Mentoring for Free that was not written by someone promoting...Mentoring for Free.

If part of the MFF program is posting lemming like comments about other peoples companies, which is what triggered me here, I definitely consider it to be scammy at best, and douchebaggery at the worst.